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Steinmetz: Warriors-Turkoglu Redux

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Steinmetz: Warriors-Turkoglu Redux

June 1, 2010STEINMETZ ARCHIVEWARRIORS PAGE WARRIORS VIDEOMatt Steinmetz
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The other day, I wrote that the Warriors should pursue Raptors small forward Hedo Turkoglu, who recently said he didnt want to return to Toronto. To me, its a no-brainer; Warriors general manager Larry Riley should pick up the phone and make the call.

Whenever Warriors fans ask me what the team needs, invariably a well-rounded small forward comes up pretty quickly. Bottom line, as far as Im concerned, the Warriors arent going to significantly improve until they get a guy who can make a play other than Stephen Curry.

Apparently, Im in the minority there. A few trips around the internets and it became obvious that many Warriors fans disagree with me. But I am undeterred, and after giving it more thought, Im convinced Turkoglu would be a nice fit for Golden State.

So here we go again

First off, Ive never been in love with Hedo Turkoglu.

I always thought that during his days in Sacramento he was a little greedy, and it manifested itself in questionable shot selection. Had a grudging respect for his versatility but never thought he did enough with it.

Over the years, I chalked it up to Turkoglu having to play behind Peja Stojakovic and wanting to do too much. When he got playing time for the Kings, I thought he had a tendency to force it.

I also didnt like that sometimes he didnt appear to play hard enough. Then again, hes kind of got that loping game that isnt really based on speed or quickness so maybe that explains a part of that.

Anyway, there are certainly more criticisms of Turkoglus game, and I might not disagree with a few of them. But this is the part where youve got to take emotion out of it and take an objective look at Turkoglu the player.

And if you do, and you take a realistic look at what he is and what the Warriors have or more importantly lack -- you realize Turkoglu would very much be an upgrade in personnel. No question about it.

So, lets get into it. Right off the bat, I never said the Warriors should trade Monta Ellis for Turkoglu. Or even Biedrins for Turkoglu. And certainly not both for Turkoglu. What I said was getting Turkoglu will likely cost you Ellis or Biedrins.

Unloading Maggette for Turkoglu is simply too much to wish for.

But Ill tell you what, if Toronto wants to start talking about Turkoglu and a re-signed Amir Johnson, perhaps as part of a separate deal, for example, then, yes, Im listening intently.

And it doesnt matter if the Raptors are talking Ellis, Biedrins or even Anthony Randolph. Just dont bring up Curry.

This is the part where I get a little indignant, but Im trying not to. It amazes me there are actually Warriors fans out there saying they wouldnt touch Turkoglu with a 10-foot pole, and certainly not if it has anything to do with Ellis or Biedrins.

There have even been those who suggest, all in all, Maggette is better for the Warriors than Turkoglu. Hello? Hello? Are you crazy? What a harmful indictment of certain fans, if they believe that.

One guy, Turkoglu, might have been his teams most effective player in an NBA Finals. The other player, Maggette, cant even get to the playoffs. Cant even get there. Been there once in 11 years.

Turkoglu averaged 18 points, four rebounds and four assists during an NBA Finals, and that was only two years ago. He shot 50 percent from the field while doing it, too.

With the exception of role player Ronny Turiaf and little-used Devean George and Vladimir Radmanovic, the Warriors dont have anyone on their roster who has even sniffed a conference final.

And even though I never said Id trade Ellis for Turkoglu straight up, the criticism has gotten me defensive, and its making me take a shot at Ellis here.

With all due respect, whats Ellis done? One playoff appearance in five years, and he was awful that one time he got there. Yeah, Im being a touch harsh, but just exactly who do you think youre going to get for Warriors players?

I keep hearing that Turkoglu was awful this past year. OK, so he didnt have such a great year. He obviously had a much better year the previous season in Orlando. Lets take a look:

Turkoglus scoring average went from 16.8 points per game with Orlando in 2008-09 to 11.3 points per game last season. But Turkoglus minutes also declined, from about 36 minutes per game to about 30 minutes per game.

That doesnt explain the entire drop but certainly some of it. Also, Turkoglu played last year with Chris Bosh, whereas the year before he played with Dwight Howard. The point Im getting at here is Bosh had to get the ball more than Howard, which means Turkoglu had it less when he played with Bosh.

Still, Turkoglu was definitely less of a factor last season than he was with Magic. And certainly Turkloglus critics would point out he shot only 40.9 percent from the field last year.

Acknowledged. But that actually plays into why I like Turkoglu for the Warriors as opposed to most of the other players on Golden States current roster. Yes, Turkoglu didnt shoot well from the field in 2009-10, and hes only a 43-percenter from the field for his career.

But Turkoglu can do things other than score, and he can help you win when hes not shooting well. That would immediately make him unique as a Warrior. Whens the last time you said that about Maggette? Or Morrow? Or even Ellis?

In last seasons Eastern Conference finals, Turkoglu shot only 39 percent from the field in the Magics six-game series victory over Cleveland. But he still found a way to average 17.1 points, 6.7 assists and 6.3 rebounds per game. Got to the line 35 times and made 86 percent.

This is the Eastern Conference finals, people. Were not talking about a mid-March game between two non-contenders. This guy has been a heck of a player at times during his career.

You play Turkoglu 35 minutes a game hes going to get you 17-5-5, and hes also going to do something better than everyone else on the team except Curry: make a play for a teammate.

Turkoglu might not be the greatest defender in the league, of course, but he does have length. And for a team such as the Warriors, who are basically the worst defensive team in the league, length is a guaranteed helper. Period.

Another thing about Turkoglu is he gives a team the ability to play big or small. And forget Don Nelson here. Im not talking about Don Nelson and Don Nelsons idea of small ball. Im talking about a more conventional coachs idea of small-ball.

You can play Turkoglu at shooting guard or power forward depending on what the advantage might be that particular game or that particular stretch or that particular possession.

Lets see what else have I heard when it comes to the 26-win Golden State Warriors not being able to use someone such as Turkoglu? Oh, that hes already 31 years old, and hell be 35 when his contract is done. Yeah, so?

Last time I checked 31 was pretty darn close to your prime. Secondly, Turkoglu has never been a monster-minute player. Hes averaged only 28.2 minutes per game over the course of his career. Thats not heavy.

Also, take a look at his career. Hes never missed more than 15 games in a season, and in eight of his 10 years hes played at least 73 games. I know, the Warriors would never need a player that durable.

While hes got some athleticism, Turkoglus game is not completely based on it. Hes crafty and knows how to play. Thats why his age doesnt worry me that much. Hell have a little something to rely on as his skills diminish.

Take a look at the Warriors roster. They are overloaded with one- or two-dimensional players. They are not blessed with what you would call players, guys who just know how to play the game innately and instinctually.

There are few Warriors who consistently make solid basketball plays. Nor are there many Warriors who go out of their way to look to make a play for a teammate.

Curry does, and thats why he stuck out last season. And Turkoglu does, too. Overall, the Warriors cant be considered a team that plays smart. But Turkoglu would certainly raise their basketball IQ.

Lets see, what else were the rips about? Oh, Turkoglus contract. Well, theres no doubt Turkoglus contract has some girth to it four years, 43 million. And, yes, thanks to all of you who pointed out Turkoglu has a trade-kicker (not insignificant).

But Turkoglu just said he doesnt want to return to Toronto. Dont you think hed consider waiving the kicker? Of course he would. That is, if he really wants to get out of there.

And its funny, sounds like the same people who are ripping Turkoglus contract might be the same people who want the Warriors to go after Andre Iguodala and Al Jefferson. You see their contracts? Cmon.

Anyway, yes, Ive got to say I thought more people would be with me regarding Turkoglu. But the criticism sent me back to re-think everything.

And now that I have, Ill only say it louder: the Warriors should pursue Turkoglu.

What's your take? Email Matt and let him know. He may use it in his weekly Mailbag.

Warriors the establishment, and the field the barbarians at the gate

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Warriors the establishment, and the field the barbarians at the gate

Programming note: Warriors-Rockets coverage starts tonight at 6:30pm on NBC Sports Bay Area, and continues immediately after the final buzzer.

The NBA offseason ended as it began – with someone burning money for our amusement.

The San Antonio Spurs re-upped center LaMarcus Aldridge, with whom head coach Gregg Popovich had an off-season hug-it-out to repair what seemed to be a fraying relationship.

Thus, after the Golden State Warriors boatraced the field, the NBA responded by firing out $1.942 billion in free agent signings. This proves yet again that the problem with rising salaries in sports is not the fault of the players, but of the owners.

And that contreacts and player movement are an increasingly powerful turn-on in a sport that is facing an existential crisis.

Namely, how to build suspense into a season that looks foreordained for the Warriors without hoping for catastrophic injuries. Indeed, as the Warriors open with Houston tonight, there is far more national buzz around the new-look Rockets than the seemingly invulnerable Warriors.

[SHILLER: Draymond responds to D'Antoni's 'they're not gonna stop us either' claim]

It’s a bit like the old comic book conundrum – why was Wolverine a more compelling character than Superman?

Now this may be our fault as consumers for wanting something new to support our pathetically small attention spans. Or more intriguingly, being drawn to the flawed unknown rather than the excellent known.

But changing the American character is not an easy thing to do, as our most recent political developments have shown. We are who we are, and while we will watch the superb team every time, we will be more interested in the one that looks like it could blow itself to bits at any moment (Houston, or Cleveland, or Oklahoma City), or the long-downtrodden failure that suddenly looks like it might no longer be so downtrodden (Philadelphia, Minnesota, or maybe even Philadelphia again).

Or, weirdest of all, the team that used to be the standard, fell off the edge of the planet to the nation’s glee, and is just now showing signs of reconstruction (the Los Angeles Lakers).

Evidently what we want to say is that we like is change – violent, bizarre change, the crazier the narrative the better.

But here, we have the Golden State Warriors, who have chosen a far more conservative path – winning four of every five games, no matter what month, no matter what opponent, and winning nine of every 10 at home, no matter what month, no matter what opponent. And the measured eyeballs of media ratings say the Warriors are the bait behind which all other teams draft.

In short, the Warriors are the establishment, and the field is the barbarians at the gate. It’s just a matter how you feel about the barbarians, and the gate.

I know how the voting here would go. The rest of you are on your own, watching money getting thrown around in hope of some kind of regime change before the end of the decade.

Draymond responds to D'Antoni's 'they're not gonna stop us either' claim

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Draymond responds to D'Antoni's 'they're not gonna stop us either' claim

Programming note: Warriors-Rockets coverage starts tonight at 6:30pm on NBC Sports Bay Area, and continues immediately after the final buzzer.

A couple weeks ago, Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni said something about the Warriors that made headlines.

"You're not gonna stop them. It's just not gonna happen. They're not gonna stop us either. Should be fun."

On Monday, Draymond Green was asked about D'Antoni's comments.

"You should believe that. I'm turning over a new leaf," Draymond began, before giving his real thoughts. "Number 1 -- they want it to be a shootout, which is fine. But we're gonna play some defense.

"We score pretty well, but we're a damn good defensive team, too. So we're gonna play some defense."

The Rockets made some significant changes to their roster this offseason, most notably the addition of Chris Paul.

But Houston also added defensive-minded guys in P.J. Tucker and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

But as Draymond pointed out:

"I don't know how serious they take defense with that comment, but I know they added some good defensive players."

Drew Shiller is the co-host of Warriors Outsiders and a Web Producer at NBC Sports Bay Area. Follow him on Twitter @DrewShiller