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Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

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Hawk, Hahn disagree on Moneyball

On the seminar stage at the Palmer House during SoxFest this weekend, Moneyball was both lambasted and praised.

Hawk Harrelson argued on Saturday that Moneyball was a "fraud" and tore into Billy Beane as a general manager, rhetorically asking how many playoff games those sabermetrically-oriented teams ever won. Hawk further dismissed the book and movie, saying he's neither seen or read the work, but doesn't need to because, as he puts it, it's a bunch of BS.

But on Sunday, assistant general manager Rick Hahn lauded Moneyball, saying he "enjoyed the book very much" as a learning tool. He added that it offered a good insight into how teams find market inefficiencies and run a business. Although, for Hahn, the movie had some inaccuracies, namely in how it didn't mention the A's stout pitching staff from the year.

There's been some consternation over sabermetrics this weekend, with some fans seemingly accusing the White Sox of using them not enough or too much. But, in reality, no team would ever strictly use stats or scouting to make a decision.

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White Sox TalkHahn: "The data has got better than it was 15 years ago. There isn't a club out there that excludes scouting opinion."
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White Sox Talk"It's a peanut butter and jelly issue. You can have both, so why choose one?" Hahn on sabermetrics and scouting. SoxFest
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White Sox Talk Podcast: Don Cooper with the inside scoop on Kopech, Rodon and a dozen other pitchers

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White Sox Talk Podcast: Don Cooper with the inside scoop on Kopech, Rodon and a dozen other pitchers

With some of baseball's top pitching talent in the White Sox system, who better to talk about them than longtime White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper? Coop gives us the goods on Michael Kopech, Alec Hansen, Reynaldo Lopez, Dylan Cease, Joakim Soria and many others. He reveals the adjustment Lucas Giolito made last season that changed everything for the young right-hander, the one White Sox pitcher he thinks will make a big jump in 2018, and explains why he thinks the White Sox could surprise people in 2018.

Listen to the full episode at this link or in the embedded player below:

Meet the Prospects: Thyago Vieira

Meet the Prospects: Thyago Vieira

The White Sox rebuild is in full swing. While it might still be a year or two before the big league team is expected to start competing for championships, the minor leagues are stocked with highly touted talent fans will be eagerly following in 2018. With that in mind, it's time to Meet the Prospects and get to know the future of the South Side.

Thyago Vieira

Vieira, the 24-year-old right-handed hurler, has just one inning of big league ball under his belt.

A native of Brazil, Vieira made his major league debut last season for the Seattle Mariners, pitching one scorless inning — and striking out one batter — in an Aug. 14 loss to the Baltimore Orioles. He's since joined the White Sox rebuild, acquired in a November trade that sent international bonus slot money back to the Pacific Northwest.

In the minors last season, Vieira split time between Double-A Arkansas and Triple-A Tacoma, combining for a 4.00 ERA in 54 innings of 41 appearances. He struck out 46 hitters and walked 22. In previous minor league seasons, he showed a good ability to strike out opposing hitters, posting a 10.8 K/9 with Class A Bakersfield in 2016.

As of their most recent rankings, MLB Pipeline had Vieira rated as the No. 20 prospect in the White Sox organization.

Get to know Vieira in the video above.