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Flashback Friday: Gibbs vs. Buddy, Sonny vs. Norm

Flashback Friday: Gibbs vs. Buddy, Sonny vs. Norm

Gibbs vs. Buddy

While Joe Gibbs vs. Buddy Ryan, the Eagles' coach from 1986 through 1990, never had quite the zip to it as Parcells or Landry facing off against Gibbs, it was an interesting if short-lived rivalry nonetheless.

While he rarely talked about it, Gibbs was not a fan of Ryan's style. Buddy's modus operandi included antics such as calling a timeout so that his team could throw a touchdown pass on the last play of a game that the Eagles were winning handily and putting a bounty out on opposing players, promising cash to his players if they put some guys on the other team out of the game. When asked about Ryan, the usually gracious Gibbs would quickly change the subject, saying volumes about his feelings about Ryan with his silence.

Occasionally, however, Gibbs true opinion of Ryan came out. Before the two teams met in a playoff game following the 1990 season, a reporter happened upon Gibbs in the hallways of Redskins Park. The coach had not left the complex for at least a few days and he was in an unguarded state. He talked about Ryan and the more he talked the madder he got. "I live to play a game like this one. I live to play this guy." Gibbs said, turning red faced with rage.

Gibbs didn't get mad like that often, but when he did he usually knew how to channel his fury it into a productive direction. His Redskins were as focused and as motivated as anyone had ever seen them and they beat the Eagles in Philly 20-6. The win ran Gibbs' record against Ryan to 8-3.

It wasn't just the end of the Eagles' season, it was the end of the road for Buddy Ryan. He was fired the day after the game. You have to think that Joe Gibbs allowed himself a chuckle when he heard that news.

Sonny vs. Norm

It was a deal that never would happen today. Two division rivals exchanged quarterbacks in 1964 when the Redskins sent Norm Snead and defensive back Claude Crabb to the Eagles in exchange for Sonny Jurgensen.

Jurgensen was at first unbelieving and then stunned when he heard the news. He had just met with Eagles coach Joe Kuharich. "It was April Fools' Day and I thought that they were just kidding me," said Jurgensen. "But that wasn't the case. I was in shock."

It didn't take long for him to make the Eagles pay. In their first meeting of the '64 season at DC Stadium, Jurgensen came out firing away at his former teammates. In the early going his prime target was Bobby Mitchell, who caught eight passes on the day, two of them for touchdowns. The second one came as Crabb futilely tried to catch up with Mitchell in the end zone as the Redskins flanker hauled in Jurgensen's pass in the end zone in the closing seconds of the first half.

Jurgensen kept on pitching it in the second half, turning his attention to Charley Taylor. Twice the pair hooked up from long distance, once from 66 yards and again on a 74-yard bomb.

Amidst the scoring passes to the future Hall of Famers in Taylor and Mitchell, Jurgensen also got off a TD toss to John Lockett, giving him five for the game. The Eagles certainly regretted making the quarterback swap by halftime and their lament would continue for years to come as Jurgensen went on to enshrinement in Canton while Snead's best seasons were decidedly mediocre.

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Get ready for the NFL Draft, and get ready for plenty of surprises

Get ready for the NFL Draft, and get ready for plenty of surprises

In some circles of modern culture, producing shocking commentary or content seems like the top goal. Being shocking gets clicks, gets attention, and in turn, gets dollars. 

On NFL Draft night, nothing should be shocking. Remember, last season there was no way Jonathan Allen would fall to the Redskins at 17. There was no way Kansas City would trade up for QB Patrick Maholmes. There was no way Chicago would trade up for Mitchell Trubisky. But all those things happened.

Sure, for months draft experts have expounded about what will happen, but the truth is, once the Browns are on the clock, nobody actually knows anything. 

With that in mind, let's look at a bunch of options that should not shock Redskins fans. 

  • Don't be shocked if Washington takes Minkah Fitzpatrick. They want him.
  • Don't be shocked if the Redskins draft Da'Ron Payne over Vita Vea. Washington loves Payne's potential to be a disruptor in the pass game and his incredible strength. 
  • Then again, don't be shocked if the 'Skins take Vita. Plenty of folks like him too. 
  • Don't be shocked if a team makes a move for Louisville QB Lamar Jackson. That could happen after the Redskins pick at 13, but Washington's pick could also prove important in the race for the former Heisman Trophy winner.
  • Derwin James will be on the 'Skins list, but don't be shocked if he goes off the board before the Redskins pick. 
  • Don't be shocked with a trade back, but remember that isn't the goal. With four QBs expected in the Top 10, an elite talent should make it to Washington at 13. If that happens, the Redskins should take advantage of adding a blue chip to their squad. 
  • Don't be shocked if Virginia Tech LB Tremaine Edmunds ends up wearing the Redskins draft hat. Also, don't be shocked if he plays some outside linebacker in the Washington 3-4 scheme, not just the inside LB role most project for Edmunds. 
  • Don't be shocked if a seemingly sure thing slips all the way to 13. Perhaps that's Quenton Nelson? Or Denzel Ward? Remember, there was no way Jon Allen was supposed to fall to 17 last year.

There are some things Redskins fans should be shocked by. 

  • Washington should not trade up. 
  • Washington should not draft a running back at 13 unless Saquon Barley is available. He won't be.
  • Washington should not draft a wide receiver at 13. 
  • If one of the top four QBs is available at 13, Washington should vigorously work the phones to move the pick. Move down a few spots and get Payne should be the exact plan in that scenario. Arizona at 15 needs a QB. 


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2018 NFL Draft Predictions: Where will the Edmunds brothers go?

2018 NFL Draft Predictions: Where will the Edmunds brothers go?

NBC Sports Washington’s four-part digital series ‘E-Boyz’ -- chronicling the illustrious past, decorated present and bright future of the Edmunds family -- is NOW LIVE. Check out a new episode daily, leading up to the 2018 NFL Draft. Watch the fourth episode above and more here.

After this weekend's NFL Draft, the Edmunds family will go from having one son in the league to three. 

Trey is already on the Saints, but Tremaine and Terrell aren't pros just yet. So, when will they be taken? Here's a collection of predictions from NBC Sports Washington's NFL crew regarding the middle and youngest Edmunds brothers.


JP Finlay: The Niners at nine. John Lynch won't be able to get past Edmunds' combination of size and speed, and the elite potential of the just 19-year-old. Remember, too, San Francisco might not have Reuben Foster this fall.

Rich Tandler:  Eighth to the Bears. Physically, he is a double for Brian Urlacher and he worked out well enough for the Bears that he is headed for the Hall of Fame this year.

Mitch Tischler: No. 9 to the San Francisco 49ers.  We all know Kyle Shannahan loves him some offensive threats but getting an edge rusher that could tally double digit sacks and play both inside and out is going to be too tough to pass up at nine.

Pete Hailey: No. 10 and the Raiders. Jon Gruden won't let the dynamic Edmunds fall any further.


JP Finlay: Kansas City in Round 3. They could use additional depth in the secondary and that franchise knows value when they see it.

Mitch Tischler: The Steelers in Round 3. He fits their scheme, has an nfl body and measured very well at the Combine.

Pete Hailey: Round 3 to the Cardinals. Terrell can learn from Antoine Bethea then fill in for him once Bethea moves on.