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A potential three-way deal for players and prospects

A potential three-way deal for players and prospects

All week, my peeps here at CSN came up with a variety of trade scenarios that would potentially land the Celtics that coveted “superstar” that fans have constantly said they need.
 
Well, a couple of things became abundantly clear in this little social experiment of ours.
 
Finding consensus on who that star player should be, while putting together a package that made sense for both sides, is A LOT easier said than done.

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I hear folks complain all the time about why Danny Ainge didn’t go get (pick a player who is really good), while not really thinking much about how much it would cost Boston in terms of players and picks.

WHO'D SAY NO?


While the pursuit of a superstar player hasn’t gone as well as folks would like, Ainge has shown an ability to acquire lots of assets that have shown promise in time.
 
So rather than spend today looking at more ways Boston can add that “superstar” player, my CSN colleagues have taken a previous trade scenario put out there by Bill Simmons, and tweaked it to come up with a way for Boston to do what Ainge does and that’s collect assets (and a couple of nice throw-in players along the way).
 
CELTICS GET
 
Sixers 2017 pick (3rd overall)
Dario Saric
Lakers 2018 pick (now owned by Philadelphia)
Jahlil Okafor
 
76ERS GET
2017 Number 1 Pick
Jae Crowder
 
OK, let’s pause right there.
 
If I’m the Celtics, I’m all over this deal. You add proven talent up front with Saric and Okafor, a nice young piece with the No. 3 pick and a future asset that will likely be a lottery selection.
 
But if I’m Philly . . .  there’s no way in hell I would even consider doing this deal. As good as Markelle Fultz will be someday and as valuable as I believe Crowder is to winning games, the Sixers would be giving up way too much in this deal. Saric will be a top-3 vote-getter in the rookie of the Year race this season. And with Joel Embiid’s far-from-certain health status, there’s no way the Sixers would part with the one healthy big man they have who produces consistently. Okafor would be a nice addition, but he would definitely have to be part of a bigger trade package if it means parting ways with the top overall pick in this year’s draft.
 
Like I said, my biggest issue with this deal is has no chance of getting serious consideration by Philly because, 1) the chances of it working out for Philly are slim to none, and 2) it’s just not sellable to their fans who, frankly, deserve better than the way this organization has taken them and their loyalty for granted in recent years with their Tank-a-pa-looza approach to team building.
 
So after totally dumping on that scenario, I’m told that was just the first part of a bigger trade that would then rope in another struggling NBA team, the Sacramento Kings.
 
CELTICS GET
 
2017 No. 5 and 10 picks from Sacramento
 
KINGS GET
 
2017 3 pick
 
So according to these two trades, the Celtics would wind up with the following . . .
 
2017 No. 5 pick (Josh Jackson?)
2017 No. 10 pick (Dennis Smith?)
2018 Lakers pick
Dario Saric
Jahlil Okafor
 
For . . . 

2017 first round pick
Jae Crowder

Okay, I love the creativity of this trade. And, if you think about it, its kind of what you expect Danny Ainge to pull off.
 
But just like my response to the first part of this trade, I don’t think the teams Boston would be dealing with are getting enough in return.

I already addressed how I see the Sixers totally getting screwed in such a deal. And the Kings don’t make out any better. For them to give up a pair of lottery picks to move up to the No. 3 spot, I just don’t see that happening unless they become absolutely convinced that Josh Jackson of Kansas, D’Aaron Fox of Kentucky or Jayson Tatum of Duke is a must-have addition for them out of this draft.
 
But at least one of those guys will be available for the taking at No. 5. Do the Kings roll the dice and hope their guy is there (if it’s Jackson they can forget about it), or trade up for the guy they want? And if they trade up two spots, is that player really worth a pair of lottery picks (Nos. 5 and 10th overall this year) in a top-heavy draft like this one?
 
It all seems way too improbable to see coming to fruition.
 
But would any of us be totally shocked if Ainge pulled off such a deal?

Celtics Exit Interviews: How did it all change with Kyrie Irving?

Celtics Exit Interviews: How did it all change with Kyrie Irving?

What’s going to happen with Kyrie?

I’ve heard the question probably a thousand times since the Boston Celtics’ season ended with a whimper earlier this month in Milwaukee. I’ve heard it from family, friends, mailmen, random Celtics fans at the airport, and baristas at Starbucks. I’ve heard it from people around the NBA and I’ve heard it from people that couldn’t name another player on the Celtics roster.

The answer, if we’re being honest, is that your guess is as good as mine. We spent the season adamant that, at the end of the year, Irving would survey his options and realize he has a pretty good situation in Boston. But, certainly, the way it ended — Kyrie in full “let it fly” mode as the Celtics got steamrolled four straight games by the Bucks, then not exactly owning his playoff struggles — wasn’t a particularly inspiring look. So usually I’ll volley the question.

Do you want Irving back?

Most of the time there’s a hesitation, a sign of the internal debate that a lot of Celtics fans seem to be having having while weighing the All-NBA talent against Irving’s leadership flaws. Maybe it’s simply a very vocal minority but we’ve been surprised by the amount of fans that have suggested that maybe it would be best for both sides to move on.

We’ve already told you why you should be careful what you wish for. From the standpoint of Boston remaining a legitimate title contender, it’s almost certainly best that Irving is back. Maybe it’s just an overly emotional aftermath to a maddening season, one in which Irving might be catching too much of the flak for Boston’s overall struggles. But a lot of fans remain conflicted.

All of which made us think: How exactly did we get here? Fans were downright giddy about the possibility of a long-term future for Irving here and he put up the best statistical season of his NBA career. But Boston’s struggles left a sour taste in everyone’s mouth.

We begin our postseason Exit Interviews series with a spotlight on Irving.

"If you’ll have me back, I plan on re-signing here"

When Irving stood before fans at the team’s season-ticket holder event before the season and verbally declared his intent to return, it took almost everyone by surprise. And, even if all parties involved were quick to stress that nothing could be truly agreed upon until the summer, Celtics fans were elated — and eager to rub the news in the faces of Knicks fans. 

Over the past seven months, however, things got weird. The Celtics struggled out of the gates and Irving compounded matters with missteps in his quest to be the team’s vocal leader. Even when he was well-intentioned — like publicly declaring how he called LeBron James for advice — the effect was sometimes more bad than good. When the Celtics’ struggles continued, and Irving’s future was deemed more uncertain than his preseason declaration might have suggested, Irving brooded and it further impacted the team negatively.

If you’re looking for a point where the tide of public opinion swung, it’s probably Feb. 1. Irving’s future had been dragged into the public spotlight in the aftermath of Anthony Davis requesting a trade. While it became rather obvious that Irving was merely a pawn in the quest of some to get Davis to Los Angeles (by planting seeds of doubt about whether Boston might still be player in the Davis sweepstakes this summer), Irving didn’t help matters with his angry reaction to the rumors.

“Somebody else is asking for a trade and I’m throw into that,” Irving fumed at a shootaround before Boston’s visit to the Knicks that day. “Uncertainty comes back on me.”

But Irving didn’t flat out deny the suggestion that he might be having second thoughts. He said simply that, “Boston’s still at the head of that race,” but that suggested, for the first time since before his October declaration, that it was still a race.

Two soundbites in particular went into heavy rotation: “Ask me July 1,” and “I don’t owe anybody s---.”

Maybe if the Celtics were sitting atop the East at that point, then all the noise would have gone away. But Boston could never quite get things right. When Irving and Kevin Durant were taped talking outside the locker room at the All-Star Game in Charlotte — the same All-Star Fame that Irving played in despite missing two games before the break with a knee sprain — the speculation only snowballed about whether the two would join forces in New York.

By the end of February, Irving began suggesting that his focus was on the playoffs. Asked why the postseason would be different than the regular season, Irving brashly suggested because he was here.

Then he endured one of the worst shooting slumps of his career and the Celtics got unceremoniously bounced from the Eastern Conference semifinals in five games. When he dismissively stated, “Who cares?” when asked about his shooting woes after Game 4, it drew the ire of already frustrated Celtics fans who screamed at their TV that they, most certainly, cared.

There is little debate about Irving’s talents. He averaged 23.8 points while shooting 48.7 percent from the floor and 40.1 percent beyond the 3-point arc this season. The Celtics owned an offensive rating of 112.8 when Irving was on the court, and it plummeted by 7.7 points per 100 possessions when he was on the bench.

Irving remains one of the most spellbinding ball-handlers and finishers in the NBA. His room-for-growth checklist would focus more on leadership and accountability than anything on the court (though his defensive intensity and focus could improve, as highlighted in the Milwaukee series).

Ultimately, the question is whether Irving desires to be back. Does he yearn to make amends for his own missteps? Does he want another crack at getting this thing right (albeit, with a cast that could be very different)? 

If Irving does elect to return and the Celtics continue to build around him, how can he win back the fan base? He could show the self-awareness that often evaded him last season. He can own his failures and express a desire for redemption. He can stress again his appreciation for the franchise and the opportunity to wear Celtics green. The city will embrace him; Boston loves nothing better than a redemption story.

You know what else would help? Winning. Winning cures all. irving and the Celtics didn’t do enough of it this year to mask their issues.

And it’s ultimately the reason why the offseason begins with so much uncertainty about Irving and his future. It’s in Irving’s best financial interest to return, with Boston able to offer him a five-year, $190 million maximum salary extension, or about $50 million more than any other suitor.

What’s going to happen with Kyrie? Nothing would surprise us. But it’s hard to imagine just how much has changed in seven months.

It feels a lot like "Game of Thrones": It’s a tantalizing journey that deserves a better ending than what we’ve got at the moment.

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NBA Rumors: Celtics to host two defensive studs for pre-draft workouts

NBA Rumors: Celtics to host two defensive studs for pre-draft workouts

If Brandon Clarke is on the board at pick No. 14 or later in the 2019 NBA Draft, it sounds like the Boston Celtics might be interested.

The Celtics are one of four teams set to host the Gonzaga product for a pre-draft workout, the Charlotte Observer's Rick Bonnell reported Sunday.

Boston also will bring in Penn State guard Josh Reaves for a workout, Bryan Kalbrosky of USA TODAY's Celtics Wire reported Sunday.

Clarke was a highly productive two-way forward for the Zags last season, averaging 16.9 points per game while leading the NCAA's Division I in blocks (117 in 37 games) to win West Coast Conference Defensive Player of the Year.

He's projected as a first-round pick and has been tied to the Celtics -- who own the 14th, 20th and 22nd picks -- in several mock drafts, including the latest from NBC Sports Boston's A. Sherrod Blakely.

Reaves also is a defensive standout who won Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year honors this past season after averaging 2.5 steals and 1.0 blocks per game for the Nittany Lions. The 21-year-old is expected to go in the second round, where Boston has No. 51 pick.

Defense clearly is a priority for head coach Brad Stevens' club, which has drafted athletic stoppers like Robert Williams, Semi Ojeleye and Jaylen Brown in recent years. With three selections in the first round, Boston has the capital to target another defensive-minded player with one those picks.

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