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Postcard from Patriots Training Camp: N'Keal Harry bounces back on Day 7

Postcard from Patriots Training Camp: N'Keal Harry bounces back on Day 7

FOXBORO — The Patriots were back on the practice fields behind Gillette for their seventh practice of training camp. It was in full pads. It was competitive. Let’s get to what we saw . . .

WHAT THEY WORE

Full pads. Again. In the heat. Again. These are what you might consider the "dog days" of camp. Especially since the next two weeks of practice will be spiced up by joint sessions with the Lions and Titans. Patrick Chung remained in a red non-contact jersey.

ROLL CALL

No additions off the physically unable to perform list Thursday. Nate Ebner, Ken Webster and Demaryius Thomas all remained out. As did the non-football injury list duo of Julian Edelman and Yodny Cajuste. Lance Kendricks was a new absence, but that should come as no surprise since he was forced to leave Wednesday's session early. 

QUARTERBACKS PERFORMANCES

Tom Brady went 8-for-13 in competitive 11-on-11 periods. And those numbers should've been better. In the span of four plays, he had two passes dropped by tight ends. Ben Watson was responsible for one. Matt LaCosse was responsible for the other. Both players have had inconsistent hands through seven days of practice. That's three drops in two days for Watson and two for LaCosse. One of Brady's best throws went to LaCosse down the seam before Duron Harmon could get there to disrupt it. He also lobbed one high to Jakobi Meyers that was snatched out of the air by the rookie with Jason McCourty in close coverage. More on Meyers later . . . 

Brian Hoyer went 4-for-5 in competitive 11-on-11 work. He started slow, missing a wide open N'Keal Harry on a post-corner route that was well-executed by the first-round pick. The pass was well underthrown and bounced away incomplete. However, Hoyer picked things up late. He scooped up a bad snap quickly, rolled right and hit Harry for a diving catch at one point in a hurry-up period. Soon thereafter, he connected with Harry deep down the field, lofting one for Harry to adjust to and come down with for about a 40-yard score with Joejuan Williams and Harmon in the area. 

Jarrett Stidham strung together a series of good-looking passes midway through the session. He went 3-for-4 in competitive periods, hitting Meyers on what was undoubtedly the play of the day. He squeezed one off deep down the sideline with Patrick Chung closing in as the safety helping corner Keion Crossen. Meyers left his feet, tapped the ball up into the air with one hand and landed safely, totally under control, for the touchdown catch. I tweeted after practice that it looked like a Dennis Rodman rebound. Not to be outdone, one play later, Harry submitted an impressive touchdown grab of his own while working with Stidham. The rookie quarterback once again chucked one down the sideline — same route, same throw, same side of the field — and Harry laid out for the diving touchdown grab. One snap later . . . Stidham went back to the well again with Meyers back in the huddle. His throw on the third attempt sailed just a touch. Meyers made another acrobatic catch, but he landed out of bounds. If that trio ends up being the core of the Patriots passing game — in, say, 2023? — we'll look back on this practice as the day we saw it all start. Getting ahead of ourselves? Uh, yeah. Definitely. Still, it was an entertaining show of skill between Stidham's throws and the receivers' contested catches.

TRENCH ONE-ON-ONES

Patriots linemen got more than their fill of one-on-ones on Thursday as they double-dipped with two different periods focused on beating the man across from you. Here's who stood out... 

* Joe Thuney remains one of the team's best in this regard, notching victories of Lawrence Guy, Adam Butler and Michael Bennett. Bennett, though, got the best of Thuney on one late rep. That was Thuney's first loss of camp from what we've seen. 

* David Andrews is looking more and more like a full participant after missing the early portion of camp. He handled Danny Shelton on one rep and then later wrestled Mike Pennel to the ground. Hard to say who wins on a rep like that — neither side wants to end up on the turf — but we gave the edge to Andrews.

* Deatrich Wise — another player who is getting healthier and participating more as camp rolls on — was very active in the one-on-ones. He beat Dan Skipper twice and made quick work of Cedrick Lang twice. He did have his hands full with Montrez Ivey on one rep. Lang and Tyree St. Louis also gave Wise good battles. For the third-year defensive end, taking that many reps after starting camp on the PUP list is a win unto itself. 

* Lang and Pennel both ran laps for jumping early. This may be an odd observation, but Pennel ran an impressive lap for a man his size (330 pounds). Oftentimes linemen laps are more power-walks with big arm swings than anything else. Pennel was actually moving. 

* Despite a rough moment later in practice (we'll get to that), Ferentz showed up with a strong performance in the one-on-ones, winning all three of his reps against Shelton and David Parry (twice). Ted Karras won two reps that we spotted as well. It's clear the Patriots have solid depth on their interior offensive line. 

* Rookies Hjalte Froholdt and Byron Cowart each came away with wins in their two reps against one another. Nick Thurman (one of the d-linemen getting lessons from Willie McGinest earlier this week) went 2-2 in his four reps, beating Tyler Gauthier and Lang, but dropping his reps with Karras and Froholdt. Froholdt also had a good rep against Shelton late in the period. 

RECEIVER VS. DEFENDER ONE-ON-ONES

Patriots defensive backs and pass-catchers got right into it, matching up one-on-one early in the practice. Here's who stood out . . . 

* Stephon Gilmore is always in tight coverage, regardless of the matchup, but he would've been flagged early for holding onto Dontrelle Inman's jersey. 

* Duke Dawson would've picked up a couple of penalties of his own, getting too handsy with Braxton Berrios and Ryan Davis. Dawson had a strong rep on Gunner Olszewski later in the drill, and though the rookie caught the pass, Dawson seemed to think there was a little offensive pass interference on the play. 

* Second-year corners J.C. Jackson and Keion Crossen both tallied breakups and rookie D'Angelo Ross had two. Ross has stood out at different points with solid ball skills in camp. 

* Good battles between Harry and Williams — the first- and second-round rookies — led to one incomplete pass to Harry and another competed dig to the Arizona State product.

* The single best rep of the period came with J.C. Jackson jamming Jakobi Meyers and nearly stoning him at the line of scrimmage. Meyers eventually recovered, broke off his crossing route and made a diving catch. 

GOAL LINE

The Patriots offense struggled at the goal line yet again on Day 7. Brady threw a play-action touchdown pass to Watson on their first rep. But on the next three running plays, the offense was stuffed every time. Obi Melifonwu sliced through the line to help on one stop, rookie linebacker Terez Hall was there for another, and Parry was stout in the middle to stop the final attempt.

OBSERVATIONS OF NOTE

* While the Patriots offense was better on Thursday after a rough day Wednesday, they still had their issues. During one stretch of 11-on-11 play, Shaq Mason jumped for a false start penalty. He ran a lap. James Ferentz subbed in to play right guard while Mason endured his punishment. Then Ferentz jumped. That earned the entire offense a lap. Once they got back to the line of scrimmage, they got an earful from Bill Belichick and got back to work. On the first snap after their talking-to . . . more ugliness. Sony Michel fumbled. That earned the entire offense another lap. Brutal stretch. 

* Elandon Roberts, who sometimes gets lost in the linebacker conversation, was out there alongside Dont'a Hightower in running situations in the middle of the defense. He still seems to be a valued asset in spots where a hard-hitting linebacker can make an impact: early downs, short-yardage, goal-line.

* The Patriots defense had a little different look to their "big nickel" defense at times with Devin McCourty getting a breather and Chung, Harmon and Terrence Brooks on the field. Brooks continues to get time defensively after spending the majority of his career as a special-teamer before his arrival to New England. 

* The Patriots switched things up allowing the offense to play some defense and the defense to play some offense at the end of practice (as they did last year at the end of the seventh practice). Devin McCourty drew up the plays for the "offense" and dialed up a nicely-executed jet-sweep to Jonathan Jones for a touchdown. But Stephon Gilmore, a high school quarterback, watched his fade to Jamie Collins bounce away incomplete. On the next snap, a screen pass to Harmon, Harry made a strong tackle to stop Harmon short of the goal line. McCourty indicated after practice he didn't have full buy-in from his "offensive" teammates. Lost the locker room after having it for about five minutes, apparently. Not great for his coaching résumé.

POPPED OR DROPPED?

We did a "Popped or Dropped" segment on Quick Slants the Podcast this week, and it makes sense to bring it to the Postcard as well. Here's who's trending up (or not) after Thursday's workout. 

POPPED

Meyers: Again. He continues to make acrobatic catches as well as the more routine ones. And he continues to get reps with Brady. It's not just side-sessions with the future Hall of Famer anymore. During a hurry-up period late, after tight ends dropped two passes and the Patriots were looking to make some yardage, Brady looked to Meyers over the middle and he delivered.

Harry: After a tough practice one day prior, Harry's athleticism and contested-catch ability re-emerged on Thursday. His diving grab on a Stidham fade and his adjustment to a bomb from Hoyer late were two of the best plays of the day. 

Goal line defense: Going 3-for-4 is always good. The big bodies against the run in the middle — because the offense's one score came on a pass — should be particularly happy with their effort.

DROPPED

Dawson: The one-on-one stuff would pretty easily earn him flags in a game situation. He hasn't yet had a string of consistently positive plays. 

Michel: Can't cough one up after the entire offense just ran a lap. Even if there was something off about the exchange from Brady.

Goal line offense: The offensive line had itself a hard time. Penalties from Mason and Ferentz that led to laps? An inability to create space from the one? They've had better days.

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Perry's Mailbag: If not Foxboro, where's Brady going?

Perry's Mailbag: If not Foxboro, where's Brady going?

In this week's Patriots mailbag, Phil Perry revisits some of the 2019 draft, talks potential Brady locations for 2020 (including Foxboro), previews what to expect from old nemesis Steve Spagnuolo, and gives insight to why it's been such a down year for kickers.

Perry: Cherubin getting down to business. I like it. 1) It's been answered for you. Ready for another go-round with appendix-less Nick Folk? 2) I would've drafted Dawson Knox instead of Damien Harris. I like Damien Harris as a player. But the Patriots are deep at running back, and that's a position where the individuals who are game-changers on their own are few and far between. The bigger need? A tight end who can block -- Knox is the fifth-ranked blocking tight end in football this year, per Pro Football Focus -- and catch (25 grabs), who checked every box athletically, who walked onto an SEC power after playing quarterback in high school. Knox would've made a lot of sense here, and now the tight end unit in New England is still trying to figure things out. 3) The best fit, in my opinion, is Miami. He knows the coaching staff there and his offensive system would be in place. The market is ideal for someone in the fitness industry looking to grow a business. The team isn't very good . . . but that could change quickly. The Dolphins have $100 million in cap space. They could totally revamp the offensive line. They could add a veteran receiver (or two . . . both AJ Green and Emmanuel Sanders will be available) to rising talent Devante Parker. Suddenly, they'd be in the mix. They'll also have three first-rounders -- including their own, which could be in the top-five -- to spend however they see fit. Did we mention the owner there is a Michigan man?

CURRAN: Are we watching Tom Brady's final days with the Patriots?

Perry: You make fair points about Jared Cook and the draft. They wanted Cook. Indications at the time were that Cook didn't want them because Rob Gronkowski was still in the picture. And, yes, Isaiah Wynn, Sony Michel and N'Keal Harry were high-end offensive investments. But you could also say that maybe they should've been in on Adam Humphries earlier. Or that they should've tried a different route to replacing Brandin Cooks and Danny Amendola following 2017. The summer of 2018 was when they tried to pair Kenny Britt, Eric Decker, Jordan Matthews, Cordarrelle Patterson and a banged-up Malcolm Mitchell with Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan and Phillip Dorsett. Out of desperation they signed Josh Gordon and then, a year later, Antonio Brown. Outside of Ryan Izzo (2018), AJ Derby (2015) and Lee Smith (2011), they haven't drafted a tight end since Aaron Hernandez. They've invested offensively. Two of the patchwork moves made this year (Brown, Mohamed Sanu) required significant financial commitment and draft capital, respectively. But I think it's also fair to take a long hard look at how aggressive they were to fill certain spots at critical times.

Perry: Good question, Karen. Steve Spagnuolo is the new defensive coordinator for the Chiefs, and he likes to play pattern-matching zone coverages. This is a style of zone defense, but it often ends up looking like man-to-man because it requires defenders to identify routes and route combinations, and then stick closely to the route that ends up in their zone. Some zone defenses like to "spot-drop," back-pedaling into a zone and reading the quarterback's eyes to make a play on the ball in a given area. That's not Kansas City. The Patriots are encouraging defenses to play more man because they have a hard time beating man right now when Julian Edelman is doubled and James White is checked by a defensive back. So Spagnuolo might say let's just forget the pattern-matching stuff and play man across the board so that no assignments are confused. But either way I'd expect coverage to be tight. This secondary is better than it was last year. The Chiefs run defense, though, is a mess. The Patriots should be able to run the ball against the league's 30th-ranked run-stopping unit. They've been more effective running the football over the last two weeks with Isaiah Wynn back.

Is Belichick sending a message to refs with his comment about RPOs?

Perry: Never say never, Gigi, but I doubt it. Not only is Stephon Gilmore's job important enough that the Patriots would in all likelihood like him to focus there. But Bill Belichick has said before that -- as talented as many defenders are -- there's a reason defensive players play defense. From 2016: “I mean look, a lot of defensive players get moved [from] offense because they’re not good enough on offense, right? High school coaches, college coaches, if they have somebody better and you have another good player at that position, instead of stacking them up, you just move them somewhere where he can get on the field quicker. If you’re a high school or college coach you’re not going to take your best running back and put him at – I mean it’d be rare to put him somewhere else. You’re going to give him the ball and let him be a productive scorer for you . . . That’s a general statement. It’s not meant towards any specific player. Although I think most of the defensive players need to understand that the reason they don’t play offense is because they’re not good enough to play offense." We've seen defensive players for the Patriots play offense before: Elandon Roberts is a recent example; Mike Vrabel. But we haven't seen a corner get receiver reps that I can remember. The Patriots, for instance, could've used a receiver in 2006 but Ellis Hobbs and Asante Samuel never got that chance.

Perry: I wouldn't trade up a significant amount in the first round to get him, Zack. If he falls, and if there is optimism about his physical condition, then I might pounce. It's not very often this team has the opportunity to draft a widely-regarded top player at that position. I'm still not sure the Patriots would draft him, though, if he slides to the end of the first round. He's not their "prototype," which we study every year ahead of the draft. His size and arm strength could be issues for a team that likes players who have the ability to drive the football through the elements. When your most important games are played outdoors in the Northeast in December and January, those things matter.

CURRAN & PERRY: If the Pats just did THIS, offense would improve

Perry: I think some of it, Tom, comes down to missed opportunities to invest in veteran talent at the position. They've gotten by with veteran additions for a long time -- Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Brandin Cooks -- and they've had plenty of success. The problem is that the pool of potential "fits" who have NFL experience and are available is small. The draft unloads fresh receivers on the league year after year, and plenty become good players. Would they in New England? I'm not so sure. Depending on the player, I think the system can be a barrier. Is it too complex if you need to rely on hitting on trades or in free agency instead of the draft? . . . I still don't think so. The offensive system is part of why the Patriots are who they are, why they've had the success they've had. They might've had more rookie receiver standouts if the system was simpler. Sure. But the flip side of that is players like Julian Edelman or Wes Welker or even Rob Gronkowski might not have had the careers they had without it. Each was athletically gifted and could've succeeded at a range of places, but they all benefitted from being in a system that requires a high football IQ. They all did. They thrived. Hard to eschew a malleable, though intricate, system just to get the young guys involved. The question gets more complicated when the young guys *have* to be involved because there were veteran misses along the way. At that point, you do need to adjust some things to make life a little easier. And I think they have. We haven't seen the results yet, but looking at how they've used N'Keal Harry these last few games, I think it's safe to say they've tried to simplify things for him. I'll actually have a story out tomorrow looking at Harry's usage that will hopefully shed a little more light on what's going on with the Patriots passing game at the moment.

Perry: Thanks as always for checking in, Rich. It's not too complex for all young receivers, right? Malcolm Mitchell, I know, is an outlier of sorts. But it wasn't too complex for him. I think it's just complex, period. Phillip Dorsett had issues the other night and he's been around for multiple years now. I'd also just say that they have spent a fair amount for veteran help lately. Paying Antonio Brown what they did was a huge investment. Paying a second-rounder for Mohamed Sanu was a huge investment. Paying a second-rounder for Wes Welker back in the day was a huge investment. They try to be smart with their spending. Always have been. It's part of the reason they've sustained success as long as they have. They could've used a Brandon LaFell circa 2014 or a Chris Hogan circa 2016 signing this offseason and didn't end up landing anyone of consequence. Again, the pool of available players who have enough experience to grasp the Patriots system and the ability to execute is small.

Perry: Wouldn't shock me, Dave. It's December. The Patriots running game is trending in the right direction with Isaiah Wynn back in the mix. I don't think they'll be the team we saw at the end of the last year. But they're a team who'll want to have the option to get physical when it's warranted. (This weekend, against a bad Kansas City run defense, perhaps?) Roberts could help give them that backfield look that they liked so much with James Develin -- just not as often as Develin gave it to them when healthy. He might not be thrilled to be doing the job, but Roberts could end up having a real role in key spots for the offense.

Perry: Love this idea, Jim. It's one of the things he did really well at Arizona State. The Patriots threw him a bubble screen that might've gone for more than it did (four yards) had it not been for a missed Marshall Newhouse block on the outside. It wouldn't shock me if we saw something like that drawn up for him soon.

Perry: Mentioned above here, Dave, I think Miami makes a lot of sense. The Chargers do too, but Willie McGinest said this week that not everyone in the Brady household would necessarily be thrilled going to the West Coast. Your second question raises a fair question. They're right in the middle of the pack in terms of cap space available. Giving a significant percentage of that over to Brady -- if he were to stay -- would make it hard to add a high-priced receiver, in my opinion. To your last question, I think in a perfect world they'd like to give Stidham a little more time to see how he develops. That might mean a bridge quarterback is a possibility. Marcus Mariota, maybe? I know. I know. Not ideal. But he wouldn't be breaking the bank, and he might be able to manage the game for a very good Patriots defense. He was 13th in quarterback rating in 2018, ninth in PFF's accuracy percentage, and third in accuracy percentage when under pressure. If he's dealing with chronic injuries that inhibit his ability to throw the football, that's one thing. But as far as bargain-basement one-year plans go -- someone to take the reins until the Next Guy is ready, whether that's Stidham or someone else -- they could do worse.

 

 

Perry: Impossible to say, Jolyon. I've been a fan of Stidham's since before the draft. I think he has a lot of potential. I know the Patriots felt the same way. (Remember, he was considered a potential first-rounder after the 2017 college football season, then had a weird year in a wonky Auburn offense in 2018.) Here's what Belichick told us about Stidham earlier this season, when I asked for a quick assessment of how the rookie's first year had gone behind the scenes. "Yeah, good. Jarrett is a smart kid. He picks things up very quickly. He has a good grasp of the offense given where he is in his career. He’s handled everything we’ve thrown at him. In practice, he does a good job. He gets a lot of passes on our defense and when he has the opportunity to get the offensive snaps, he’s prepared and does a good job of those. But you know, it’s always different in the game. I think he’s doing all he can do."

 

 

Perry: You do remember correctly. I'd say Jonathan Jones with safety help, likely Devin McCourty, would make the most sense for Tyreek Hill. I'm not sure Hill is fully healthy based on how he looked against Oakland, but the Patriots won't want to bank on the fact that he isn't. For Kelce, I'd use Stephon Gilmore. Using Gilmore on Sammy Watkins would be a waster of resources, in my opinion. Watkins has had a down year, including two catches in his last two games (against below average pass defenses from the Chargers and Raiders) despite playing 95 snaps. 

Perry: Definitely. It's how they got Stephen Gostkowski. Greg Bedard of the Boston Sports Journal and the Las Vegas Review-Journal had an interesting look this week at why kickers are having a down year, and why it's tough to find capable players at that position these days.

Perry: Offensively? Run the football. Use play-action. Defensively? Double Hill. Don't blitz, even though you love to. Run games with your linemen and linebackers to confuse the offensive line protecting Patrick Mahomes. Confusing Mahomes himself will be much more difficult.

Perry: There's a lot of Joe Judge's plate as the receivers coach and special teams coach. But he has help at both spots with Troy Brown and Cam Achord, respectively.

Perry: I think so. He was a critical piece to the running game. The running game has struggled. The trickle-down effect for the rest of the offense has been real. I know my former co-host Rob Ninkovich thinks the Develin loss was even bigger than Rob Gronkowski's. I wouldn't go that far, but it was big. I'll never forget what Bill Belichick told Develin on the field after last year's Super Bowl that he was the one who gave them the toughness they needed to be the offense they were. 

Perry: He'd likely end up bringing back a third-round draft pick, RC. But the pick wouldn't be for the 2020 draft. It'd be for 2021. That's how the comp-pick formula works. It takes into account how (and how much) a player played for his new team as well as the deal he earned from his new team. The comp picks the Patriots get in the spring of 2020 will be related to their losing guys like Trey Flowers and Trent Brown. 

Perry: Sanu was still dealing with a balky ankle in Houston, Chris. Actually played fewer snaps than Harry did. If and when he gets healthy, he'll make a big difference. Brady likes him. Not in danger of being berated by Brady on the sideline anytime soon. I don't think. 

Perry: If your professor will accept a 2,500-word mailbag as your final exam, I've got you covered. Thanks to everyone who chipped in this week. Great questions as always. Enjoy the game.

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Tom Brady, Chase Winovich don Ohio State gear after Michigan loss

Tom Brady, Chase Winovich don Ohio State gear after Michigan loss

With the University of Michigan's latest loss to archrival Ohio State, proud alums and Patriots stars Tom Brady and Chase Winovich lost a bet with Buckeye teammates Nate Ebner and John Simon. The four were seen in the locker room all wearing OSU's familial Scarlet and Gray for a photo op that's quickly gone viral.

Ebner and Simon were more than happy to indulge in the spoils:

It's not the first time Brady has done something like this during his time in New England. Most famously, No. 12 practiced in Mike Vrabel's OSU jersey after a Michigan loss to the Buckeyes several years ago.

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