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In the post: Bulls frustrated by turnovers

In the post: Bulls frustrated by turnovers

Saturday, Oct. 16, 2010
12:04 AM

By Aggrey Sam
CSNChicago.com

--Thibodeau played Noah, Rose and Deng approximately 35 minutes apiece in the game, with the latter pair participating in the contest down the stretch, but was less concerned about their usage (I just wanted to see him at the end of the game was his explanation for Roses playing time) than he was about the teams 21 turnovers.

Its a big problem. If we dont correct it, its going to cost usWeve been high turnover three games in a row and its a close game, so its costly, said Thibodeau, who also expressed dismay at Chicagos 31 three-point attempts. Theres certain turnovers that you can live with, but wed like to have less than 14 in every game. The ones I dont like is when were holding on to the ball, dancing with the ball, the defense gets set and we try to thread the needle or go one-on-one. Youre just asking for trouble. As for his minutes, Rose only commented, After the game, of course youre going to feel all right because you just got done playing, but tomorrow when I wake up, I know Im going to feel sore a little bit.

--One byproduct of the right-heel injury that sidelined power forward Taj Gibson hes a game-time decision for Saturday nights game in Orlando was Thibodeau getting his desired extended look at Noah playing the position.

Noahs done fine. Defensively, I thought he did okay. He helped shut the lane down, his reboundings terrific. Im concerned with the turnovers; weve got to get that down. But overall now how much we do it, I dont know but hes shown hes capable of playing there some, and like I said before, there are certain situations and times during the game when you like to have that size out there. When you have two seven-footers, its hard to get the ball into the paint, evaluated Thibodeau. "Playing without Gibson and Boozer will be different because youre primary low-post scorers wont be there, but we still have to get the ball into the paintprobably more off dribble penetration and well try to get some duck-ins off pick-and-rolls and things like thatbut we still want to play inside-out.

Rose chimed in: It hurt us, especially for pick-and-pop players. It opens up the floor a little, especially with those two missing.

--Roses reasoning for the Bulls turnover issues was a combination of players making the extra pass and being flummoxed by the Mavericks zone defense.

People playing unselfish just trying to make the right play but sometimes youre wide open and you dont realize it, especially in the zonein practice, were moving the ball well, but were overthinking when were out there in the game and making little turnovers, but we can easily fix that. When people look at video tomorrow or whenever, we can easily go ahead and get that out of our game, said Rose. "That was our first time facing it zone defense. It was kind of weird at first. People that were shooting the ball that were supposed to be hitting werent in their groove tonight, but thats just one night. Weve got great shooters on this team, so if somebody does play zone again, I feel bad for them.

Added Thibodeau about Dallas defensive tactics: They played zone most of the game, so it was a chance for us to work on some zone things. Were playing two centers, so there were some good things about it. The good things were that our rebounding was much better, so that was a plus, but the negative is when they go zone, theres one less shooter on the floor.

--Although Deng who also saw minutes at power forward toward the end of the game; Thibodeau was pleased (I thought that was very effective in the fourth quarter for us) with his play was aware of the challenge of matching up with Nowitzki, its something hes used to and therefore willing to deal with until Gibson (and eventually Boozer) return, if necessary.

Every night, its someone else. Nowitzkis a great player, but Im not really going into the game expecting to have an easy task. If it happens, it happens, but the NBA especially the three and the four it seems like every team has a guy at that position, said Deng. Hes hard to guard. Hes seven feet and can shoot, and if youre up on him, he knows how to get to the basket and get to the free-throw line.

--Deng, whose improved range and accuracy from deep was one of the more underrated storylines of the offseason check his Great Britain national team box scores for proof w asnt at all surprised at his success (5-for-7 from behind the arc) on the evening.

Ive been shooting it well in practice and with the zone defense, I had a lot of good looks, he stated. We take what we get in the game. I think Coach is very smart and just seeing whats going on out there and just using us the right way. Some nights, if my shot is not falling, Ill probably look to drive more and be more aggressive towards the rim. Deng, too, had an opinion about Chicagos ballhandling miscues. Its just something weve got to work on. A lot of different lineups out there, a lot of guys getting used to each other, but its something weve got to improve on, he said. The last couple games, were not happy with our turnovers and its something weve got to focus on.

Aggrey Sam is CSNChicago.coms Bulls Insider. Follow him @CSNBullsInsider on Twitter for up-to-the-minute Bulls information and his take on the team, the NBA and much more.

Bulls Outsiders Podcast: Reaction to Lauri Markkanen’s injury and loss to Kings

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Bulls Outsiders Podcast: Reaction to Lauri Markkanen’s injury and loss to Kings

On this edition of the Bulls Outsiders podcast, Matt Peck, David Watson, and John Sabine react to the Bulls 98-81 loss to the Kings.

1:00 - Reaction to the loss and LaVine getting double-teamed

2:50 - On Jim Boylen saying don’t expect system changes with Markkanen hurt

4:25 - Sabine’s list of things that have happened since the last time the Kings made the playoffs in 2006

5:35 - Viewer comment on LaVine and Coby

6:40 - Viewer comment on Denzel Valentine

8:00 - On the importance of 1st vs 3rd quarter

9:00 - Viewer comment on possible trades

11:00 - Viewer comment on seeing Bulls without Markkanen

14:30 - On Lauri Markkanen’s hip injury and missing 4-6 weeks

18:40 - Viewer comment asking if Bulls should shut down Markkanen

19:50 - Hey Matt Peck, did you see what DRose did tonight?

21:15 - Viewer comment on what to expect from Lauri when he returns

23:40 - Viewer asking the greatest moment the Outsiders have witnessed

24:55 - On NBA naming the All-Star starters

Listen to the full episode in the embedded player below:

Without Lauri Markkanen, Zach LaVine's job will only get more difficult

Without Lauri Markkanen, Zach LaVine's job will only get more difficult

It’s been the most pressing on-court issue facing the Bulls all season — in a season full of them:

Outside of Zach LaVine, where do the points come from?

The glare of that question is only set to amplify with Lauri Markkanen now set to miss four to six weeks with a pelvic injury. Take Friday's 98-81 defeat at the hands of the Kings as an example. LaVine tallied 21 — his 13th consecutive game with 20 or more. Thad Young chipped in 10; Kris Dunn did, too. But the rest of the team mustered 40, and the Bulls finished with 81 points against the Kings’ 18th-rated defense.

For a stretch — a 109-second one, to start the second half — it appeared LaVine might single-handedly save the day, as he has before. He opened the third quarter with 10 quick points to shave a 10-point halftime deficit to two after tallying eight in the first two periods combined.

But the Kings clamped up. The rest of the way, LaVine scored only thrice and was ever on the run from one, two or three Sacramento defenders at a time, depending on the possession. The Bulls’ dearth of scoring around him made the gameplan a simple one: Cut the head off the snake. LaVine finished just 8-for-21 from the field, and the Bulls scored 12 fourth quarter points.

“I think they did a good job of that,” Jim Boylen said of the Kings’ throwing waves of bodies LaVine’s way. “Zach's a primary guy and they treated him like a primary guy. He got up 21 shots. You know, six rebounds. I thought he tried.”

This storyline isn’t going away. Three of the Bulls’ top five scorers (Marrkanen, Wendell Carter Jr., Otto Porter Jr.) are sidelined and weeks (at least) away from return. Young, steady as he is, isn’t going to transform into a consistent 20-point scorer overnight. Tomas Satoransky and Coby White represent the Bulls’ best chance of secondary explosions on a night-to-night basis — but against Sacramento, they combined for 16 points on 4-for-16 shooting.

“I mean, [opponents have] been doing that,” LaVine said of the double and triple-teams he received Friday. “We gotta get somebody to step up, and I think we'll find it. It's the first game without Lau [Lauri Markkanen]. We'll figure out what we gotta do in Cleveland.”

Easier said than done. Down another primary 3-point threat in Markkanen, the Bulls shot 8-for-37 from deep tonight, the fifth time in seven games they’ve made less than 10 3-pointers. They’re now 2-13 on the season when they make less than 10 3s.

“Will we have to adjust some things and maybe play a little differently? Maybe,” Jim Boylen said of the team’s shooting. “I'll evaluate with the shots we got and what else we had. But I'm not gonna reinvent the wheel in January, I'm not gonna do that.”

The Bulls — spearheaded by Boylen and LaVine — insist they’re going to keep plugging. Still, an offense already third-to-last in the league in offensive rating just lost another cog, and the impact was apparent. LaVine already carried as great an offensive load as anyone in the league. Now, if he didn’t already, he’ll receive as much attention as anyone, too.

“That's up to coach. I'm prepared for everything. I think my conditioning's [good], so we'll see, maybe I gotta do that,” LaVine said of potentially taking on more minutes.

And of the injuries: “Nobody's gonna feel bad for you. They're just gonna try to take advantage of it.”

The Kings did that successfully tonight. The Bulls hope it doesn't prove a foreshadowing.

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