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Jose Quintana makes most of minor league appearance

Jose Quintana makes most of minor league appearance

GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Jose Quintana couldn’t replicate the atmosphere of the World Baseball Classic on a back field at Camelback Ranch on Saturday morning. But the White Sox All-Star pitcher did his best to enhance a normally drab environment, especially when compared with a packed stadium and an energetic WBC crowd.

In the midst of a work day against minor leaguers, Quintana emerged from the dugout to greet one of his young teammates with a high-five after he scored on a two-run hit. Quintana, who threw 81 pitches over six innings, said he always tries to connect with the minor leaguers in the White Sox farm system on similar work days.

“I keep doing that because they don’t have too much opportunity to talk with us,” Quintana said. “And when I go there I try to spend good time with them and talk to somebody. It was good. It was fun and I enjoy this time with the minor leaguers.”

Eight days after he dominated Team USA for Colombia, Quintana did his most extensive work since returning to the White Sox. He worked out of the stretch for several innings to get a better feel for his changeup and focus on his quickstep delivery. 

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But Quintana also spent time with young teammates and tried to any questions they might have. Quintana had a similar experience with several teammates when he was a farmhand in the New York Yankees system.

“I remember a couple of guys,” Quintana said. “Phil Hughes was one and (Alfonso) Soriano, (Ivan) Nova. A couple of guys I watched before when I was in minor leagues. Now, I try to be fun with them too.”

As for the work itself, Quintana is pleased. He’s currently in line to pitch again on Thursday, followed by March 28 and April 2. The final assignment falls the day before the regular season starts, which makes it all but certain the White Sox will give Quintana an additional day to rest before he starts on Opening Day (April 3).

“I felt really good,” Quintana said. “Threw the ball well to both sides so. I feel really good. 

“All my stuff worked good.”

White Sox test drive MLB's new extra-inning rule, and it doesn't look great

White Sox test drive MLB's new extra-inning rule, and it doesn't look great

"The runner on second,” White Sox reliever Aaron Bummer said last week, “I'm not a fan of at all.”

It’s not difficult to see why.

The White Sox took Major League Baseball’s new extra-inning rule for a test drive during Monday’s intrasquad game at Guaranteed Rate Field, and it’s not great.

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I’m no old-school baseball purist. Games are too long, and the league isn’t wrong to try to figure out a way to speed them up. In this case, it’s an attempt to get the game to finish up rather than speed up. And innovation, especially in this most unusual of seasons, should not be turned away.

But I’m not sure this one is a winner. In fact, it’s going to make a loser out of a lot of pitchers, hence their displeasure.

Here’s how we saw it play out Monday.

The White Sox started an inning by trotting Danny Mendick out to second base. Luis Basabe was supposed to bunt him over to third base, what he and many others would be asked to do in the same situation during the regular season. Basabe couldn’t get the bunt down, striking out while trying, but the White Sox made believe that it worked, moving Mendick to third with one out. It allowed for the infield and the pitcher, Jimmy Cordero, to practice for the real thing.

Nick Madrigal was up next and pretty much did what he was supposed to, smoking a line drive. But a drawn-in Leury García made a great play at second base, snagging the liner and keeping Mendick from scoring. The White Sox practiced some more, making a high-stakes pitching change by bringing in Steve Cishek, someone who likely will find himself trying to wriggle out of such a situation come the regular season. Cishek gave up a floater of a base hit to Nicky Delmonico, and the run scored.

Now, soft contact turning a game on its head is nothing new for baseball, and it’s just bad luck pitchers have to deal with. But the point is that through no fault of the pitcher — not even bad luck — it resulted in a run.

And that’s where it’s easy to finding a decent sized flaw in this new extra-inning setup. By starting all extra innings with a runner on second base, the pitcher is in an immediate jam. This is the idea, of course, to increase the chance of a tie-breaking run scoring and the game coming to a quicker conclusion. But nothing had to happen to get to that point.

Let’s say a low-scoring game spins into extras. Congratulations, pitchers, on keeping the opposing offenses in check. Your reward is a runner in scoring position. Get out of it.

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It’s an interesting challenge, and the upside of this rule — outside of the game not lasting five hours, obviously — is increased drama. The situation suddenly becomes as tense as can be, and every move a manager makes to try to keep that run off the board becomes a high pressure one. In a season where players are already preparing for every game to matter in a 60-game sprint to the playoffs, one game in the standings could wind up a huge deal.

But while late-game skippering is fun to watch, will it be as fun without the build-up? It’s one thing if a leadoff man comes through and doubles to start the 10th, putting pressure on the pitcher and the defense. It’s another thing when he’s there at second base and the pitcher — nor the base runner — did anything but show up.

“is there a difference between being here for three and a half hours versus four hours for a game?” Bummer said. “That's for someone else to make a decision that's a whole lot smarter than I am. But I'm not necessarily a fan of that. I think that's when you start messing with the integrity of the game.”

Even the guy who has to do the strategizing isn’t looking forward to it.

“That’s something I’m sure everyone is excited about trying. I’ll be honest, I’m not,” White Sox manager Rick Renteria said last month. “I’ll just lay it out there. I’m glad everyone is going to enjoy something new. ‘We want to tie in some excitement.’ I’m more of a traditionalist.

“I would have rather just had — my own opinion is, and I put this out there years ago, and I’ll get myself in trouble — just play an 11-inning game and figure out some way of creating a point system. If you’re tied after that, you use a mechanism that gives you the ability to create something that gives you some form of differentiating yourself from other clubs that end up having the same type of record or whatnot. Then we just play the game and it ends when it ends.”

Bringing this rule in for the 2020 season makes sense from a health-and-safety standpoint. Playing in the middle of the pandemic, the idea is to keep players in close proximity to one another for as little time as possible. Extra innings can drag a game on forever, and that’s not what you want in these circumstances.

But this has been in the works longer than the pandemic’s been around, with the rule used in the minor leagues last year. It’s one of the proposals to shrink game times that have been stretched out by more pitching changes and more selective hitters. The days of Mark Buehrle breezing through a game and getting everyone home for a late dinner are history. So the league is taking matters into its own hands.

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Some things will work. Some things won’t. Some won’t make a difference. No drastic changes seemed to come from the restrictions on the number of mound visits. Nobody seems to pay much attention to the between-inning countdown clocks in every ballpark. We’ll see what effect the three-batter minimum, another new one for 2020, has on the parade of pitching changes. My prediction? It will lead to a bevy of two-out pitching changes.

But none of those new ideas take the pitching and the hitting out of the players’ hands like the new extra-inning rule does. Changes to baseball are just fine, as long as you’re still playing baseball. In this instance, you’re literally removing the pitcher-vs.-hitter essence of things by skipping ahead to the runner in scoring position.

A saving grace? Maybe this won’t be too much of a brave new world for relief pitchers, who tend to be called on to strand runners on a fairly regular basis.

“Relievers, they train for that situation, guys come in with bases loaded, nobody out. So it's just kind of treating it like that,” White Sox pitcher Lucas Giolito said Monday. “You're coming in to do your job, execute pitches, get out of the situation. I think if you worry too much about that runner being there, that's when you can get into trouble. I trust that our guys know how to handle that.”


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Lucas Giolito faces Nick Madrigal, Andrew Vaughn: 'They're a pain in my ass'

Lucas Giolito faces Nick Madrigal, Andrew Vaughn: 'They're a pain in my ass'

The White Sox are hoping Lucas Giolito's assessment of pitching against two of the organization's top prospects is shared by opposing hurlers for years to come.

"They're a pain in my ass."

The White Sox would be thrilled if Nick Madrigal and Andrew Vaughn are the same kinds of irritants to the rest of the American League that they were to Giolito during Monday's intrasquad game on the South Side. It wasn't so much the results — though both were involved in a busy first inning for Giolito, with Madrigal making things happen on the base paths and scoring on a Yasmani Grandal throwing error — but the at-bats themselves that challenged the All Star.

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Opening Day might come with neither of the two first-round picks on the active roster. But they're both big parts of the White Sox long-term plans. And if Giolito's reviews are any indication, they might be ready to tangle with major league pitchers right now.

"You've got Nick spitting on some fastballs just out of the zone (that's taking tough pitches, in baseball lingo, for those afraid Madrigal was violating MLB's spitting ban), shooting one to right field. Andrew Vaughn, when I was throwing to him in quarantine — back when we were in California, I was throwing live bullpens, and he faced me — he's one of the few guys, I've noticed, that can really see my changeup well, and he'll spit on my changeup just out of the zone," Giolito said. "That makes me excited that they're on our team and I don't have to face them in the future because they're tough outs."

Indeed, both Madrigal and Vaughn are promising young players, and that has plenty of fans clamoring they be thrust into the majors as soon as possible, hopeful their presence will help fuel the White Sox quest for a postseason berth in 2020. Madrigal can very easily be described as the organization's best second baseman, at any level, and Vaughn sure looks capable of handling a bat at any level, especially after he took one of the White Sox veteran free-agent additions, Gio González, deep in Sunday's intrasquad tilt.

But the White Sox have been consistent during this rebuilding process in taking their time with their highest rated prospects. Fans stewed while the team waited for the right moment to bring Michael Kopech, Eloy Jiménez and Luis Robert to the majors. It wouldn't be surprising, even as they move out of rebuilding mode and into contending mode, for the White Sox to treat Madrigal and Vaughn the same way.

Madrigal's case is the most interesting, as he was set to be the team's second baseman for the bulk of the season but still had things he needed to show team brass in the minor leagues. Now, there's no minor league season and the major league season has been squeezed down to 60 games. Service-time rules are still in effect, too. So what do the White Sox do with Madrigal? It depends how far along they believe he is and whether he helps them more in this short, weird season or in a hopefully normal season in 2021. Seemingly the most likely outcome: He arrives about a week or so into the 2020 season.

Vaughn's situation is less complicated. He doesn't have what Madrigal has on his resume: a full season of success at various levels of the minor league system. And even though he's been playing a little bit of third base during "Summer Camp," he's probably not being groomed as an emergency replacement for Yoán Moncada, currently on the injured list. Instead, the White Sox are keeping him versatile. After all, Vaughn's regular position, first base, figures to be occupied for a while after José Abreu signed a new three-year contract over the winter. Edwin Encarnación is expected to soak up the majority of at-bats at designated hitter this season, and the White Sox have an option for his services in 2021, too. Keeping Vaughn as versatile as possible while those two proven vets are still on the roster makes all the sense in the world.

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This might just be "Summer Camp," but the White Sox future is on display.

"It’s been phenomenal," Vaughn said Monday. "Our lineup this year is pretty stacked. Just watching those guys hit, Abreu, Encarnación, (Tim Anderson), I mean it’s pretty phenomenal being around those guys. Just trying to see how I fit in.

"The goal, always, since I was drafted was to play in the big leagues, doesn’t matter when, as soon as possible is kind of the goal. I’m just going day by day, especially in these times, put one foot ahead of the other and continue to play baseball."

The White Sox seem ready to take the next step this year, with an exciting core of Giolito, Moncada, Anderson and Jiménez teamed with the offseason additions of Grandal, Encarnación and Dallas Keuchel, not to mention the Day 1 arrival of Robert, the organization's top-ranked prospect. But the plan has always been chasing championships on an annual basis over the duration of a lengthy contention window. Madrigal and Vaughn are part of keeping that window propped open for a long time, their team-control clocks not even started yet.

"There’s a lot of excitement here, there’s a lot of excitement within this clubhouse right now and within this organization and rightfully so," White Sox bench coach Joe McEwing said Monday. "Done an outstanding job to put pieces in place so that we’re able, not just to be able to sustain it for the next couple of years, but for years to come.

"We’re excited for years to come. It’s going to be pretty special."

So while its still unknown what kind of an impact Madrigal and Vaughn will make in 2020, it won't be long before they're persistent pains in the asses of pitchers all over the Junior Circuit.


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