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Peavy shut down with shoulder discomfort

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Peavy shut down with shoulder discomfort

Sunday, March 20, 2011Posted 2:16 p.m. Updated 7:41 p.m.

By Brett Ballantini
CSNChicago.com

GLENDALE, Ariz. Chicago White Sox rehabilitating ace Jake Peavy has been shut down for today with shoulder discomfort after his start yesterday at the Oakland As.

The update today is not as positive as it has been, Peavy said. I have some issues that have popped up here. Obviously the doctors are here, and well just kind of monitor it on a day-to-day basis. Well shut down today from throwing. We started some anti-inflammatories trying to nip some stuff, maybe some rotator cuff tendinitis or something.

WATCH: Ozzie takes responsibility for injury

Peavys next start, vs. the Chicago Cubs on Thursday, is in jeopardy.

But Im still staying positive, he said. At the same time, I have to make sure Im 100 percent healthy, and thats what is the main concern. Ive been up front and honest with everything Ive felt from Day 1. After seeing the doctors this morning, theyve decided were going to slow it down a little bit. Thats about where were at.

As a best case scenario, Peavy will be able to do some light tossing tomorrow and gets right back in line for his Thursday start.

I would think so, he said. Well come in tomorrow and kind of run through the same stuff, and hopefully play some catch. I doubt that Ill go out there and throw a bullpen tomorrow. But Thursday has not been ruled out throwing against the Cubs on my regular turn. Well see how it all plays out, but I certainly hope the anti-inflammatories get in the system and calm things down to where we can get out and stay on schedule.

Peavy, who is still fighting the flu that nearly scuttled his 83-pitch effort yesterday, did not have an MRI postgame or today, nor has he ever felt this shoulder sensation before.

He actually forecasted this development through eyes half-lidded from illness yesterday, speaking after his start vs. the As.

My shoulder was a little bit achy today. It oiled up. My whole body felt kind of sick and when you dont use somethingI know people think your shoulder should feel great because you havent thrownbut when you dont use something, your whole body is kind of achy. My shoulder was like that today. Well see how it feels tomorrow and the next few days. I want to pitch and be ready for that fifth start in Kansas City and well see if that plays out.

Ive always been extremely honest with you guys, and with Herm and those guys. Herm said, How do you feel? and I said my body is achy and my shoulder is a little bit achy. He said, Hey, what does that mean, and I said it just feels a little achy.

You get loose. I felt better in those last few innings throwing the ball than I did to start the game. I would be willing to say my velocity was a little bit better later than it was earlier.

Peavy, still fighting the flu, dismissed any thought that his aggressiveness toward breaking camp with the White Sox contributed to his current setback.

What Im experiencing has kind of been a culmination of start after start after start. Its kind of been coming since that first start vs. the Los Angeles Angels on March 4, Peavy said. You have soreness and different stuff pops up, but this is something that I kind of felt a tad after the Anaheim start and felt it a little more after throwing vs. San Fran. Its just been creeping up, and reared its head in the last week. Today, I didnt do so well in tests they wanted to put me throughIts been getting a little more uncomfortable as I keep going. We want to nip that in the bud and not let it mount into some bigger issue than it is.

But at the same time, Im thinking its just part of getting back into the routine. I threw for an awfully long time without any setbacks. Once you start going close to game speed like I have, things can pop up. Youre asking your body to do exactly what youre going to do in the regular season. It obviously has caused a little bit of discomfort. Its a small step back, and well re-evaluate the situation in the next couple of days to see where we go from there.

Ever optimistic, Peavy knows that any setbackwhich the White Sox have advised him all along is possibleshouldnt alter the fact that hes made enormous progress from an initial diagnosis that wouldnt have him back on the mound until July.

Im still holding out that we will nip this thing in the bud, kind of make some progress in the next couple of days, and get to run out there Thursday night, he said. I would love for that to happen and that certainly hasnt been ruled out, Ill tell you that. But if that doesnt happen and I dont make that start, I certainly wont be breaking camp with the teamYou have to have realistic expectations of what is going on, but Ive also been as positive and upbeat as I can be about getting out there as soon as possible.

The doctors said the first 48 hours will be a telling tale. Its a day-by-day kind of deal. Weve been going full-steam ahead since we started this thing, and we were told expect this. I wouldnt buy into it and I never expected it. Im not going to sit here and call it a setback because we dont know what it is yet. But certainly, things have slowed down.
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Peavys injury dominated Guillens postgame chat with reporters. Notably, Guillen expressed regret over betraying his own team ruleone that finds him determining when a player returns from injury, not the player. (Guillen is well-known for making a player wait one more game after informing the manager hes ready to return.)

What follows is an edited transcript of his comments regarding Peavy after Sundays game:

Im still thinking about when he didnt feel that well Saturday and I let him pitch. I take full responsibility. He left the game fine, except for some tightness. When he comes back, hopefully he comes back for good without another setback. Id rather he be set back now than in July or August. We have to be aware of how he is all year long. His injury is not a common thing.
Ozzie Guillen is taking responsibility for Jake Peavy's injury and says he will no longer let Peavy convince him that he's fine to pitch if there is any doubt that he's not. (AP)
Believe me, as long as I am the manager of this ballclub that is the last time he convinces me, he said. I will make the call. I will have the power to let him go out or not. I know it sounds powerful, but the last two times he didnt convince me, he convinced everybody else he could go out there and perform and the next day, and we got bad news. I am the manager of the club and I was the guy who was against Peavy pitching, but he said he was fine and ready to pitch. I have the full responsibility of my players, and at the end of the day its on my shoulders if people get hurt or not.

Jake Peavy will pitch the day I tell him to pitch. Hes not going to convince me. When I get the go-ahead from our pitching coach and medical staff hell pitchIm not going to get the go-ahead from him. I cant. Sorry. I cant.

Kenny can easily come to me and say I knew Peavy was sore, and I dont have any ammunition to protect myself and my coaching staff. I always blame myself, and when he told me Skip, Im ready to pitch I should have given him another couple of days to recover. Thats the way we do stuff.

Its not anything against him, or Im mad at him, or sad or upset. Its just because its happened twice. When you tell your kid, Dont do this, the kid keeps doing it, and you dont do anything about it, you are not doing your job. My job is to protect him and the organization, to make sure when hes out there hes good.

I respect him, because he wants to be out there. I love when players want to be on the field. Thats the best thing that can happen for any manager. Hes a different doghe wants to be out there fighting. He doesnt want anything else. Hes the type of guy who has the temper and passion for the game. He wants to help. Sometimes when you want to help, youre not really helping.

Im fine, we talked. Next time, he has to convince a lot of people, and I dont think its going to be enough, just talking, to convince anyone. We want to protect him, because when we protect him, we protect ourselves. Im going to protect myself not because of my job but because thats the way it should be. Its not because of me, but because of the White Sox, the team. No. 1, we have to protect him. Thats most important: To protect the players.

Opening Day is too close to be a possibility the way he sounds, thats another thing. The way he sounds, we shouldnt be counting on him for Opening Day. Maybe he comes in tomorrow ready to pitch, and then its, Whats going on heredo you want some time off? I know for a fact he wants to be on the team. We have to make sure when hes on the team, hes on the team for good.

Brett Ballantini is CSNChicago.com's White Sox Insider. Follow him @CSNChi_Beatnik on Twitter for up-to-the-minute White Sox information.

Adjust your White Sox free-agent wish list? Gerrit Cole's teammates predict he'll land in California

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Adjust your White Sox free-agent wish list? Gerrit Cole's teammates predict he'll land in California

Gerrit Cole is rightfully at the top of many White Sox fans' free-agent wish list. But might those hopes already need adjusting?

Cole looks to be on track to land the richest pitching contract in baseball history when he hits free agency after the Houston Astros' playoff run is over. The White Sox are shopping for starting pitching, and what team wouldn't love to top their rotation with the guy who might be awarded the AL Cy Young?

But whether or not you're part of the Twitter-using faction of White Sox fans that believe the team would never spend such money to land a pitcher the caliber of Cole, it might not matter.

USA Today's Bob Nightengale spoke to a couple of Cole's fellow Astros, and they told him they think Cole will end up playing in California. The South Side, at least in the Astros' clubhouse, it seems, is not a betting favorite.

"It will be west of Nevada," outfielder Josh Reddick said. "We know he wants to be a West Coast guy. He’s a California guy, so he probably wants to be close to home. I know he mentioned Oakland a couple of times because of how he’s pitched there in the past. ... But that probably won’t happen. They’d have to clear the whole roster to afford him."

"I got the Angels," pitcher Wade Miley said, "and paying him at least $250 million."

Well then.

Certainly the Los Angeles Angels are not a new suggestion in the "where will Cole sign" discussion. Cole went to high school a 10-minute drive from Angel Stadium and pitched his college ball at UCLA. The Oakland Athletics? That's a new one.

Anyway, a lot of White Sox fans are probably out there thinking "here we go again" as we begin poring over every bit of minutiae in this winter's free-agent market, just like we did last offseason, when Manny Machado and Bryce Harper were both out there for the signing — and both White Sox targets. That months-long reading of the tea leaves, of course, was all kicked off when MLB Network's Jon Morosi reported the White Sox interest during the GM Meetings in November.

So far, there's nothing out there connecting the White Sox to Cole besides pure speculation, that and the fact that Rick Hahn has said his front office will be in the market for starting pitching. Cole, being a starting pitcher, fits the minimum requirement as a potential target.

In fact, in listing a boatload of teams that might make a run at Cole this winter, Nightengale left the White Sox out. He mentioned four of the five California-based teams: the Angels, the Los Angeles Dodgers, the San Francisco Giants and every White Sox fan's favorite, the San Diego Padres, who landed Machado back in February. He also mentioned the Astros, the New York Yankees (who Cole will pitch against in game 3 of the ALCS on Tuesday), the St. Louis Cardinals, the Washington Nationals and the Texas Rangers.

No White Sox.

There are plenty of other variables in this sweepstakes than just geography, and chief among them figures to be money. The White Sox have plenty of financial flexibility gained as a goal of the ongoing rebuilding process, but Hahn said that's not the most attractive element when it comes to free agents signing up to play on the South Side.

"The biggest advantage we have is the talent base we've accumulated so far and the excitement to come and be part of that," Hahn said during his end-of-season press conference last month. "We do have some economic flexibility. That was part of the plan from the start. But I think if you're looking at advantages, a lot of teams have money. A lot of teams don't offer the ability to play with some of the players that are joining us here already and joining in the coming years and the opportunity to win a championship in a city like Chicago."

Whether that appeals to Cole or whether the White Sox will set their sights elsewhere remains to be seen. Certainly his fellow Astros' predictions aren't the be all, end all. Remember last winter when it was a foregone conclusion Machado would be a Yankee because he was a fan of that team growing up? Didn't work out that way. (It's here that I'll mention a pretty cool nugget in Nightengale's piece about Cole sitting in the front row cheering on the Yankees during the 2001 World Series. Is he destined to wear pinstripes because of it? No.)

For the White Sox, they certainly should chase Cole, who would count as the biggest free-agent splash in team history and do a heck of a lot to vault the team out of rebuilding mode and into contention mode. But Hahn is hoping that whichever players he lands this winter can do that, along with the team's talented young core, and there are plenty of starting-pitching options out there not named Gerrit Cole: Madison Bumgarner, Dallas Keuchel, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Zack Wheeler and maybe even Stephen Strasburg. It's an impressive list of possibilities, one that remains impressive for the White Sox even if they fail to meet any imaginary Golden State requirement from Cole.

Even as Cole readies to face off against the Yankees in the ALCS, attempting to go 19-0 since he lost to the White Sox on May 22, his role as the star of the hot stove season is already beginning.

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MLB'ers think Lucas Giolito was one of the comeback-iest players in baseball this year

MLB'ers think Lucas Giolito was one of the comeback-iest players in baseball this year

It isn't "the" AL Comeback Player of the Year Award, but it is "an" AL Comeback Player of the Year Award.

The MLB Players Association announced Monday that White Sox hurler Lucas Giolito is a finalist for its "Players Choice" AL Comeback Player of the Year Award, voted on by the game's players. He was joined by outfielders Hunter Pence of the Texas Rangers and Jorge Soler of the Kansas City Royals. On the NL side, the three finalists were Atlanta Braves third baseman Josh Donaldson, Cincinnati Reds pitcher Sonny Gray and Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Hyun-Jin Ryu.

The whole "voted on by your peers" element is pretty cool, as certainly they know how different the 2019 version of Giolito was from the one they saw a year earlier. James McCann, who played against Giolito as a Detroit Tiger in 2018 and then caught him as the White Sox backstop in 2019, constantly talked about how transformed Giolito was from one year to the next.

A totally different pitcher.

That's precisely what Giolito seemed like to us non-player types, too, after he went from the worst statistics of any qualified pitcher in 2018 to an All Star and the ace of the South Side staff in 2019.

Giolito gave up more earned runs than any pitcher in the game in 2018, also leading the AL in walks during a season he finished with a 6.13 ERA. Then he went to work in the offseason, making mechanical changes and overhauling his mental approach to the game. It resulted in the kind of breakout season the prognosticators foresaw when they ranked him the No. 1 pitching prospect in baseball once upon a time.

In 2019, Giolito posted a 3.41 ERA, went to the All-Star Game, struck out a whopping 228 batters — that particular feat accomplished by only two other pitchers in White Sox history — and will likely place somewhere in the AL Cy Young vote.

His season was highlighted by a pair of complete-game shutouts against two of the best teams in baseball, the Houston Astros and Minnesota Twins. Both shutouts came against 100-win teams on their own turf.

Presumably some Astros and Twins threw a few votes Giolito's way.

Giolito's status when it comes to "the" AL Comeback Player of the Year Award will be revealed next month, after the World Series is over. But for now, this is a pretty cool feather in the cap for him, another example of how far he's come.

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