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Sox Drawer: Ventura has believers in Lasorda, Torre

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Sox Drawer: Ventura has believers in Lasorda, Torre

NASHVILLE, Tenn -- When Robin Ventura became the manager of the Chicago White Sox without any managing or even coaching experience in baseball, he received some advice from a man who managed 3,040 major league games in his legendary career.

Former Los Angeles Dodgers skipper Tommy Lasorda.

Before the season, I told him, Take a picture now, Lasorda said. "Then I want to take a picture of you when the season is over, and its going to be a big difference. If you dont win its a big difference.

For most of the season, Ventura and the White Sox did win. They were in first place until September 25th. That might have helped Venturas mental health, as well as the hair on the top of his head.

I still have it, so Im alright, Ventura said Tuesday.

But when the White Sox proceeded to lose 11 of their last 15 games, and missed the playoffs in heartbreaking fashion, any normal manager would be an emotional wreck, fraught with grief and inner turmoil.

Just ask Lasorda.

When I was a manager, I would walk the streets until 3 o'clock in the morning, Lasorda said. A lot of times I wouldnt take the bus after we lost afraid I would attack some of those players. But here I am walking the streets at 3 oclock in the morning and theyre out dancing somewhere. That doesnt go together.

Joe Torre managed 4,308 games, won four World Series, lost two others, and dropped 1,990 games during the regular season.

Name the experience as a manager, Torre has likely seen it, and felt it.

What the White Sox experienced late in the year was devastating, Torre said. Ive seen clubs go through it. I was lucky in 2000 because we lost 15 of the last 18 and won the World Series. Ventura got eeked out by the Detroit club that struggled all year long. But Robin I thought did a good job with anything that went on. Hes going to use what he felt surprised him and use that to his advantage because hes not going to bemoan the fact that this didnt happen. Hes going to learn from it.

On the outside, Ventura remained calm and cool during last seasons collapse. But what was happening on the inside? Safe to say it was devastating to Ventura?

I guess you could say that, Ventura revealed in an interview with Comcast SportsNet. But its not something you cant come back from. Its disappointing because you work so hard to put yourself in the position to win the division and it doesnt happen. But in sports, nothing is guaranteed. Again, you prepare and get ready again and gear up and go after it again.

Hidden behind Venturas relaxed demeanor is a fiery competitor who wants to win as much as every manager in the game--a temper that was on display when he was actually ejected from games last season.

I was happy to see him get mad a number of times, Torre said with a smile. You say, Look how cool and relaxed he is. I was that guy at one time.

Thats a part of the job, Ventura explained. Anytime youre competing, things are hot and heavy. It happens. Thats a part of the passion of the game and what you do as a player and as a manager. It happens. It will probably happen again.

So after completing his first season as manager of the White Sox, is there one specific area with his team hed like to improve?

Yeah, Ventura said. Id like to get 10 more wins in September.

White Sox Talk Podcast: Could the White Sox trade with the Red Sox?

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White Sox Talk Podcast: Could the White Sox trade with the Red Sox?

The crew wraps up the final day of the Winter Meetings for the White Sox.

On the latest White Sox Talk Podcast, Chuck Garfien, Vinnie Duber and Ryan McGuffey talk about a rumored deal between the White Sox and the Red Sox (2:41) that would move some pieces around.

Rick Hahn speaks for the final time in San Diego and the guys react to his comments.

Later, they debate why fans are disappointed with the White Sox and the outcome for the team at the end of the Winter Meetings.

Listen to the episode here or in the embedded player below.

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White Sox reportedly 'in play' for David Price, but how much sense would a trade make?

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White Sox reportedly 'in play' for David Price, but how much sense would a trade make?

SAN DIEGO — David Price on the South Side? Maybe.

According to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, the Boston Red Sox have had trade conversations involving Price with at least five teams, and the White Sox are “in play” for the veteran left-hander.

Boston is trying to shed salary, and getting rid of the $96 million remaining on Price’s deal over the next three years would be a good way to accomplish that goal.

The White Sox, given their financial flexibility, are a team that could absorb that kind of money in a trade. While much discussion of Rick Hahn’s statement in February that “the money will be spent” has focused on high-priced free agents, the general manager said Wednesday that such fiscal positioning could be beneficial on the trade market, too.

“Absolutely,” he said during his final media session of the Winter Meetings. “You’ve seen over the years us use our financial flexibility to acquire some contracts. I think back to the (Joakim) Soria trade with the Dodgers. The thing we brought to the table there was the ability to absorb some contracts. That flexibility doesn’t always have to be spent on free agents.”

But here’s the thing. ESPN’s Jeff Passan got this whole Price conversation going when he reported the interest of multiple teams on Tuesday, and he suggested the Red Sox might be able to ship Price out of town if they included a “player of value.” A young player with affordable club control would sweeten any such deal, and speculation latched onto outfielder Andrew Benintendi, who is under team control for three more years.

That’s the kind of deal — before we hear what it could cost, obviously — that would look like a good one for the White Sox.

Well, another nugget in Feinsand’s report throws that idea out the window.

“One scenario that has been floated in recent weeks would have the Red Sox attaching a young player — Andrew Benintendi's name has been mentioned often — to Price in order to dump the pitcher's contract.

“A source said that concept has not been considered by Boston's front office — nor will it be, especially not with Benintendi.

“‘That's not going to happen,’ the source said.”

If that’s the case, if the Red Sox are talking about a Price trade that doesn’t involve a young, controllable player coming back, is there any reason for the White Sox to consider such a move? Is there any reason to trade for Price alone?

The White Sox do need pitching, quite badly, as a matter of fact. Their quest for two arms to add to the starting rotation has yielded no additions yet, with their high bid for Zack Wheeler spurned in favor of a lower offer from the Philadelphia Phillies. Price would be an upgrade to the White Sox rotation, and they could potentially get him without having to give up any of their prized prospects (a trade involving someone like Benintendi might cost a high-level prospect, in addition to salary relief).

After turning in some memorable performances during the Red Sox championship run in 2018, Price got off to a great start in 2019, with a 3.16 ERA in his first 17 starts. But due to a cyst in his wrist, he made only two starts over the season’s final two months. He finished with a 4.28 ERA, second highest of his career.

Considering the White Sox are heading into 2020 with just three rotation spots spoken for, they could do a lot worse than Price from a production standpoint. But the veteran lefty doesn’t exactly have a sterling reputation as a clubhouse presence. NBC Sports Boston’s John Tomase listed several red flags in a recent piece: “He's no longer a 200-inning pitcher. His elbow could blow. He considers himself a great teammate, but he consistently brings negativity into the clubhouse, which multiple rival executives have noted warily. He's too expensive. He hasn't made an All-Star team or earned a Cy Young vote since 2015. He's past his prime.”

Do the White Sox need those headaches? Aren’t there options out there, via trade or free agency, that would bring in similar levels of production without all that other stuff? It doesn’t seem like a young team that is developing what appears to be a very positive culture needs someone who “consistently brings negativity into the clubhouse.”

Now, if someone like Benintendi — or, for example, the large contract of designated hitter J.D. Martinez — comes along with him, maybe it’s a pill you’re willing to swallow. Of course, that would require other unpleasant possibilities, such as letting a recent first-round draft pick like Nick Madrigal or Andrew Vaughn go. Hahn talked about the team’s unwillingness to deal away its prized prospects for a short-term gain. The White Sox lost a combined 195 games to end up with the draft picks that produced Madrigal and Vaughn. That was an awful lot of suffering just to trade those guys away.

A potential Price trade has its upsides, but ones contingent on other aspects of such a deal. If those aspects go by the wayside, acquiring Price doesn’t make quite as much sense.

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