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Verlander's fifth is a Sox shutout symphony

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Verlander's fifth is a Sox shutout symphony

Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2011
Posted: 10:36 p.m. Updated: 11:27 p.m.

By Brett Ballantini
CSNChicago.com White Sox InsiderFollow @CSNChi_Beatnik
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Relative to the U.S. Cellular Field Massacree that took place on Monday and the series from hell in Motown two weekends ago, a 5-0 whitewash at the hands of presumptive AL Cy Young Award winner Justin Verlander was practically a gift from the Detroit Tigers to the Chicago White Sox.

Sure, the game was hardly in doubt, but the White Sox did show some fight before falling to Verlander for the fifth time this season, including two bases-loaded rallies, as well as a first-and-third in the first. Natch, the Pale Hose stranded 10 for the game and was a perfect 0-for-6 with runners in scoring position.

We didnt have the big hit, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen cut-and-pasted postgame. Against a pitcher of Verlanders caliber you have to get it done before he makes his pitches.

READ: Ozzie hands out 2011 grades

The deciding blow came off the bat of Victor Martinez, who blasted a towering, three-run shot out to right to push Detroits lead to 4-0.

Gavin hit the wall after Martinezs homer, according to Guillen. He put everything into that nine-pitch at-bat.

The longball came on a 3-2 cutter, which has not only been Gavin Floyds most effective pitch this season, its been the most effective cutter in the major leagues. Yet Guillen knew that something bad might be coming after walking Bengals slugger Miguel Cabrera to get to Martinez.

I told Joey, Look at his eyes, Guillen said of Martinez. Theres a lot of pride a hitter feels when someone is walked in front of you, like, You think Cabrera is better than me? But I cant pitch to Cabrerahes the best hitter in the American League and has been for the past three years.

Catcher Tyler Flowers was bummed that Floyd was tagged with a loss over basically one pitch. Earlier in the count, Martinez twice had failed to get solid contact on Floyds cutter, fouling them off. But the third time was a charm.

Victor had a good at-bat, Flowers said. Gavin threw at lot better than four runs allowed would indicate. Victor just took advantage of the mistake.

Chicago mounted a final rally off of a tightrope-walking Joaquin Benoit, loading the bases with two out as the plate began to jump around on the setup man with a fat contract, but Benoit punched out Flowers to end any semblance of a threat with nary a run scoring.

The loss slipped the Chisox back under .500 (73-74) and raised the staffs ERA vs. Detroit to a gaseous 6.14 on the season. The Tigers, whose magic number to eliminate the White Sox is three (four vs. Cleveland), have outscored Chicago 45-6 over the two teams last 31 innings played. The shutout was the 10th of the season for the White Sox, three of which now have come at the hands of Detroit.

Six Pack of Stats

Pressure Play (highest-leverage situation): With the bases loaded and two outs in the fourth inning, Gordon Beckham faced 3.75 LI in a one-run game against Verlanderand struck out to end the rare threat. Tigers 1, White Sox 0

Pressure Cooker (highest total leverage faced in the game): With 2.01 pLI, Beckham faced the highest overall pressure in the game, and faltered in the face of it, going 0-for 3 with a strikeout and a game-high six men left on base.

Wauoooo of the Day(greatest win probability added, single play): Martinez turned a nail-biter into a romp with a three-run homer in the fifth, following a Will Rhymes double and intentional walk to Cabrera. The clout was good for .178 WPA added to Detroits winning effort. Tigers 4, White Sox 0

Game MVP (greatest win probability added, game): Unshockingly, Verlanders seven-inning win, with six Ks against six hits and two walks landed him with a .375 WPA for the game, tops in the contest.
Chicagos Start: Floyd started out gangbusters before Martinezs clout, but unraveled quickly from there, lasting just 5 13 innings with four hits, four runs and four walks en route to a 43 game score.

Detroits Start: Verlander became the fifth hurler in the past 45 years to win five games in a season vs. the White Sox with his tidy but relatively unremarkable 69 game score in his seven-inning effort. The other four hurlers, according to stats maven Christopher Kamka, are Jim Kaat (1966), Paul Splittorff (1973), Jim Kern (1976) and Brian Anderson (2003).

Brett Ballantini is CSNChicago.com's White Sox Insider. Follow him @CSNChi_Beatnik on Twitter for up-to-the-minute Sox information.

White Sox Talk Podcast: Could the White Sox trade with the Red Sox?

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White Sox Talk Podcast: Could the White Sox trade with the Red Sox?

The crew wraps up the final day of the Winter Meetings for the White Sox.

On the latest White Sox Talk Podcast, Chuck Garfien, Vinnie Duber and Ryan McGuffey talk about a rumored deal between the White Sox and the Red Sox (2:41) that would move some pieces around.

Rick Hahn speaks for the final time in San Diego and the guys react to his comments.

Later, they debate why fans are disappointed with the White Sox and the outcome for the team at the end of the Winter Meetings.

Listen to the episode here or in the embedded player below.

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White Sox reportedly 'in play' for David Price, but how much sense would a trade make?

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White Sox reportedly 'in play' for David Price, but how much sense would a trade make?

SAN DIEGO — David Price on the South Side? Maybe.

According to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, the Boston Red Sox have had trade conversations involving Price with at least five teams, and the White Sox are “in play” for the veteran left-hander.

Boston is trying to shed salary, and getting rid of the $96 million remaining on Price’s deal over the next three years would be a good way to accomplish that goal.

The White Sox, given their financial flexibility, are a team that could absorb that kind of money in a trade. While much discussion of Rick Hahn’s statement in February that “the money will be spent” has focused on high-priced free agents, the general manager said Wednesday that such fiscal positioning could be beneficial on the trade market, too.

“Absolutely,” he said during his final media session of the Winter Meetings. “You’ve seen over the years us use our financial flexibility to acquire some contracts. I think back to the (Joakim) Soria trade with the Dodgers. The thing we brought to the table there was the ability to absorb some contracts. That flexibility doesn’t always have to be spent on free agents.”

But here’s the thing. ESPN’s Jeff Passan got this whole Price conversation going when he reported the interest of multiple teams on Tuesday, and he suggested the Red Sox might be able to ship Price out of town if they included a “player of value.” A young player with affordable club control would sweeten any such deal, and speculation latched onto outfielder Andrew Benintendi, who is under team control for three more years.

That’s the kind of deal — before we hear what it could cost, obviously — that would look like a good one for the White Sox.

Well, another nugget in Feinsand’s report throws that idea out the window.

“One scenario that has been floated in recent weeks would have the Red Sox attaching a young player — Andrew Benintendi's name has been mentioned often — to Price in order to dump the pitcher's contract.

“A source said that concept has not been considered by Boston's front office — nor will it be, especially not with Benintendi.

“‘That's not going to happen,’ the source said.”

If that’s the case, if the Red Sox are talking about a Price trade that doesn’t involve a young, controllable player coming back, is there any reason for the White Sox to consider such a move? Is there any reason to trade for Price alone?

The White Sox do need pitching, quite badly, as a matter of fact. Their quest for two arms to add to the starting rotation has yielded no additions yet, with their high bid for Zack Wheeler spurned in favor of a lower offer from the Philadelphia Phillies. Price would be an upgrade to the White Sox rotation, and they could potentially get him without having to give up any of their prized prospects (a trade involving someone like Benintendi might cost a high-level prospect, in addition to salary relief).

After turning in some memorable performances during the Red Sox championship run in 2018, Price got off to a great start in 2019, with a 3.16 ERA in his first 17 starts. But due to a cyst in his wrist, he made only two starts over the season’s final two months. He finished with a 4.28 ERA, second highest of his career.

Considering the White Sox are heading into 2020 with just three rotation spots spoken for, they could do a lot worse than Price from a production standpoint. But the veteran lefty doesn’t exactly have a sterling reputation as a clubhouse presence. NBC Sports Boston’s John Tomase listed several red flags in a recent piece: “He's no longer a 200-inning pitcher. His elbow could blow. He considers himself a great teammate, but he consistently brings negativity into the clubhouse, which multiple rival executives have noted warily. He's too expensive. He hasn't made an All-Star team or earned a Cy Young vote since 2015. He's past his prime.”

Do the White Sox need those headaches? Aren’t there options out there, via trade or free agency, that would bring in similar levels of production without all that other stuff? It doesn’t seem like a young team that is developing what appears to be a very positive culture needs someone who “consistently brings negativity into the clubhouse.”

Now, if someone like Benintendi — or, for example, the large contract of designated hitter J.D. Martinez — comes along with him, maybe it’s a pill you’re willing to swallow. Of course, that would require other unpleasant possibilities, such as letting a recent first-round draft pick like Nick Madrigal or Andrew Vaughn go. Hahn talked about the team’s unwillingness to deal away its prized prospects for a short-term gain. The White Sox lost a combined 195 games to end up with the draft picks that produced Madrigal and Vaughn. That was an awful lot of suffering just to trade those guys away.

A potential Price trade has its upsides, but ones contingent on other aspects of such a deal. If those aspects go by the wayside, acquiring Price doesn’t make quite as much sense.

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