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White Sox executive Ken Williams opens up about personal history facing racism

White Sox executive Ken Williams opens up about personal history facing racism

While baseball is mired in the details of a fight over money, there's a much more important fight going on across the United States: the fight for equality and racial justice.

And though baseball's financial argument is grabbing the biggest headlines, there are plenty inside the game turning their attention to those more important matters.

Ken Williams, the White Sox executive vice president and former general manager who built the 2005 championship team, has been impressed by the thousands of Americans taking to the streets across the country to protest police brutality against Black people in the wake of the police killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and others. And he decided to share his thoughts on race and racism.

Williams, one of baseball's few Black executives, opened up in an extraordinary, must-watch interview the White Sox posted Monday afternoon.

The entire 34-minute interview is well worth everyone's time, with Williams delivering personal stories and recounting his family's history in a way that is not only captivating but emotional for both Williams and the viewer.

"I was asked the question not long ago by a very close white friend of mine, an older man, who asked what it was like to be Black," he said. "And my answer was, 'It's exhausting.'

"And at times, it has been more exhausting than others because at times, you want to give up,  you don't see hope, you don't see a vision for a better future.

"When I hear, 'I can't breathe,' I don't just hear it and see (Floyd) lying there, though. I have felt that — and others that I've had this conversation with, other Black men and women that I've had this conversation with — it has been difficult to breathe for a long time."

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Williams tells of the aftermath of his being named general manager 20 years ago and the racist messages and threats he received.

"When I was named general manager in October of 2000 and I go home and on the side of my house is spray painted, 'No n----- should run the Chicago White Sox,' capital W-H-I-T-E. It hurt. It hurt," he said. "And I called my father, and he told me, 'Go get your sons.' And I went inside and got my sons, who were 9, 11, 13 maybe, and I showed them what was written and I had to have a conversation about what it meant, about what it meant for them tomorrow. And I had to take a little bit of their innocence away.

"Because you've got to protect your kids. You've got to take a little bit of that innocence away in order to make sure that they're doing and saying the right things out there so they're not the next in what has become a long line of victims."

Williams shares his family's history. His godfather is John Carlos, who famously protested racial injustice at the 1968 Olympic Games. His father fought to become a firefighter in San Jose, California. His biological mother was one of the first Black Panthers. He shows a picture of his great-great-grandmother, who was a slave. He talks about having painful conversations with his own children.

And he says the current movement gives him optimism for the future.

"Once all the looting and the violence started, I thought, 'Oh no, they're going to drown out the peaceful protests and those positive voices.' Once that happened, where the positive voices and the protests took that shape, I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what to do, I didn't know what to think, I didn't know what to say because I had never seen people come together like that.," he said. "For a Black cause? Not in my lifetime.

"What has surprised me — and I've got to say thank you to the people of all different backgrounds I've seen out in the streets saying, 'Black Lives Matter.' ... I had given up hope that in my lifetime I would see substantial gains in this area.

"Black people alone cannot erase racism, no more than Black people could have solved slavery on our own. We need white people to do that. And it appears to me — maybe I'm overly optimistic — but it appears to me that people have seen enough."

It's incredibly powerful and best taken in in full.

Watch Williams' entire interview below:

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Latest Eloy Jiménez misadventure gives Christian Yelich inside-the-park homer

Latest Eloy Jiménez misadventure gives Christian Yelich inside-the-park homer

Maybe Eloy Jiménez is improving defensively in left field.

But it’s undoubtedly tough to figure out whether that’s the case or not when he does the kind of thing that happened in the fifth inning Thursday night.

Christian Yelich lifted a fly ball to left field, near the foul line. He might have thought it was foul because he wasn’t moving very fast out of the batter’s box or down the first-base line. Jiménez came over to try to make a play and very much didn’t. The ball dropped past his outstretched arm, and unable to slow himself down, he went tumbling into the netting and into the seats while the ball rolled around in the outfield and Yelich motored around the bases for an inside-the-park home run.

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“Was it a tough play for him? Yes,” White Sox manager Rick Renteria said after the game. “Could it have been made? Should it have been made? It’s possible, yes.”

That result, which tied the game at 2 and started a four-run inning for the Milwaukee Brewers en route to an 8-3 win over the White Sox, makes the play particularly more glaring than some of the other Jiménez misadventures in the outfield.

But there have been others, and those moments are sticking in the minds of fans and observers who are trying to figure out whether Jiménez should be out there at all.

Renteria stuck to the same line he’s used before when discussing Jiménez and outfield defense. And though certain fans will claim they’ve “seen enough,” the White Sox aren’t ready to dramatically alter their long-term outlook because one of their finest young hitters — who’s still just 23 years old, by the way — is still developing as a defender.

“The story is not finished at all in terms of where he’s at defensively or how he’s going to improve,” Renteria said. “My expectation is that he will still continue to improve. I’m going to state that this is probably a blip, and time will tell if I’m absolutely off my rocker and wrong.

“It was an inside-the-parker to tie the game. Everybody will clamor to that. Unfortunately for him, we weren’t able to turn the offense around to kind of quiet everything, so that’s the thing that stands out a lot. I don’t blame anybody for looking at it. It’s a legitimate perspective and a legitimate question to ask.

“This one is not going to take away my belief in that this young man is going to continue to work.”

That’s a very reasonable approach by the manager, and his long-term outlook could certainly wind up coming to fruition.

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On the other hand, we just went through this a week ago.

Jiménez crashed into the outfield wall during the season’s third game, hitting his head and needing to leave not long after. He missed the following two contests while waiting for the league to give him the green light to return to action. The conversation about Jiménez needing to play smarter and whether he’s a good defender are two different ones. But it’s hard not to put it all under the same umbrella of left-fielding.

Jiménez has been adamant in his desire to improve out there, working daily with outfield coach Daryl Boston and reacting disgustingly when someone suggests he should think about DH’ing.

“F**k that,” he said in January.

While Jiménez swings a bat capable of doing big-time damage, the truth is he’s not yet a finished product as a defender. The questions zipping around social media, though, wonder if that finished product will ever roll off the assembly line.

If you're trying to figure else where else he could play, good luck. There’s already a logjam of sorts in the first base/designated hitter area on the White Sox roster, both this year and in the years to come. Renteria is already facing a juggling act when it comes to José Abreu, Edwin Encarnación, Yasmani Grandal and James McCann — not to mention Zack Collins, who started at DH on Thursday — and getting them at-bats. Even if both McCann, slated for free agency, and Encarnación, whose contract gives the White Sox a team option for 2021, aren’t part of that mix as soon as next season, one of baseball’s highest ranked prospects, Andrew Vaughn, figures not to be too far off from joining it.

Adding Jiménez to that mix creates a near impossibility when it comes to the number of bats that need to be in the daily lineup, plus then there’s a big hole in left field.

It’s not to say the White Sox are forced to keep Jiménez in left field for the entirety of his contract with no other courses of action. It’s to say that it’s a tough puzzle to solve — one that might have any overly desirable outcomes. Jiménez is too valuable to the lineup, and that might mean just dealing with some defensive misadventures every so often.

The question becomes, though, how much are the White Sox willing to trade off? Jiménez has both put his health in jeopardy and cost the team runs with his play in left field. It’s certainly possible that all goes away with time. After all, he doesn't need to win a Gold Glove, he just needs to avoid damage to his body and on the scoreboard.

But as the games get more and more meaningful on the South Side, be it in this most unusual season’s race to October or under normal circumstances in future seasons — when already high expectations only figure to get bigger — how much longer can they afford that risk?


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Rick Renteria: Tim Anderson, not Luis Robert, will be White Sox leadoff man

Rick Renteria: Tim Anderson, not Luis Robert, will be White Sox leadoff man

There's a lineup controversy brewing on the South Side.

OK, really, when isn't there a lineup controversy brewing in every fan base across baseball? But still, White Sox fans are going to have feelings about this one.

Luis Robert is having himself a heck of a start to his major league career. He leads the American League in WAR, his teammates are calling him the league MVP, and he's showing off every one of those tools we've been hearing so much about.

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And since Tim Anderson went on the injured list last weekend with a groin strain, Robert's been doing his dizzying array of dazzling baseball things out of the leadoff spot. If you think his overall numbers in his first dozen big league games are impressive — a .354/.415/.542 slash line to go along with two homers, three doubles, six RBIs, eight runs scored, five walks and an AL-leading four stolen bases — just wait till you see what he's done in five games as the White Sox leadoff man: a .429/.520/.667 slash line with one of those homers, two of those doubles, two of those RBIs, five of those runs scored, four of those walks and three of those stolen bases.

It's a pretty compelling argument to keep him there, even when Anderson returns from his 10-day stay on the IL, which should be soon. Anderson worked out at full capacity Thursday at the team's alternate training site in Schaumburg. He says he's ready to return to action and should do so next week.

But if you want to see Robert kept as the White Sox permanent leadoff man, you're not going to get your wish.

"I look at the guy who's actually had the experience," manager Rick Renteria said Thursday. "Right now, Luis is doing it on sheer talent. You can see some at-bats that look very, very impressive and some that might be not as impressive. But overwhelmingly, his talent is taking over on his ability to do what he's doing there.

"I still consider Timmy our leadoff guy. And we'll find a way to continue to adjust the lineup a little bit. We'll see how Timmy's feeling after his stint over in Schaumburg. ... Once he comes back, see where he's at. I've got to talk to him and see how he's doing and then figure out where I'll insert him. But right now, if the question is, 'Will I insert him at the top of the lineup?' my answer to you right now is yes.

"I still plan on inserting him at the top of the lineup. If that's enough to give everybody some fodder and some conversation and question: 'Why would I do that?' Well, he's a pretty good hitter, and he's done pretty well for us up there."

That will surely cause bouts of furious rage in some corners of the fan base. It will prompt "attaboy" cheers from another. There will be plenty who don't care who bats leadoff as long as the White Sox keep winning.

But the debate is an interesting one. Personally, I agreed with Anderson when he pointed out Thursday that you only lead off once, which not only sounds like the title of a pretty lame James Bond movie but also is true. A manager only gets to line up his hitters in one inning per night. The rest is up to to the flow of the game. You might never put a stereotypical No. 5 hitter in the leadoff spot, but if the cleanup man makes the final out of the first inning, guess who's leading off come the second? The idea, and the White Sox are trying to do just this, is to have good, capable hitters in all nine spots in the batting order, meaning no matter who's up, there are no gaping holes.

Obviously, there's more to it than just those things, and Anderson, the reigning big league batting champ, isn't exactly looking to take himself out of the top spot in the White Sox potent lineup.

"I get the party started," he said with a laugh. "I get to start the party. I get to set the tone. If I’m able to start out with a double, there is a chance that I’m going to score that inning. Just being able to set the table and getting the party started."

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Robert was slotted down in the back half of the White Sox lineup when the season started. The idea of batting Robert seventh was to allow him not to feel any extra pressure while getting his first taste of the major leagues. Then the injury bug took an oversized chomp out of the White Sox, and things changed. Even with a sudden promotion to the top of the lineup, though, Robert has fared extremely well.

But while watching from the press box or on TV might reveal one thing, Renteria insists there's a lot more going on that Robert and the White Sox need to deal with.

"You guys are measuring it through the eyes of just the sheer talent right now," the manager said. "I take every at-bat and look at every swing, every approach in every pitch that he takes, to kind of measure where he's at. There's a couple of at-bats where I know he walks away from the batter's box and I know he's kind of scratching his head, thinking, 'Man, what just happened there?'

"He's still learning, he's still young. He's reacting. I want him to be anticipatory. ... Right now, he's reacting. It's pure skill that he's bringing to the table. But I don't want him to lose that positive energy that he brings and that confidence that he has. We just want to help him understand how to direct it in a much more efficient way."

That likely won't sell those who will let their objections be known when Renteria's lineup gets tweeted the day Anderson returns from the injured list. But that's the kind of thing that comes with playoff expectations and winning ways.

Renteria welcomes all the lineup chatter, however critical of him it might be. There wasn't quite the vitriol when his lineups included Welington Castillo, Ryan Cordell and A.J. Reed. He likes this better.

"I'm glad that I have the problem of lineup construction. I'm glad that all of you have the opportunity to discuss lineup construction because that means that the Chicago White Sox are in a great place," he said. "We might not always agree on where I put things, as I'm told many times. ... I'm not really a big follower of a whole lot of things, but I'm told many times. 'Why'd I do this?' or, 'Why'd I do that?'

"And that's great. I love the fact that people are conversing about the Chicago White Sox in that manner because that means we have significant pieces. And I'm very thankful for that, to be honest.

"I'll always try to give you a reason. You might not agree with the reasoning, but I'll always try to give you a reason. We are very thankful to have the players that we have right now that are giving us a lot of potential joy as we continue to move forward."


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