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White Sox say top prospect Nick Madrigal is 'pretty close' to major leagues

White Sox say top prospect Nick Madrigal is 'pretty close' to major leagues

White Sox first-round pick Garrett Crochet was asked to name the player who has impressed him the most in his first taste of pro ball.

His answer will shock no one.

“I'd say Nick Madrigal,” Crochet said. “I'm sure it's not a surprise to most people.”

Give Crochet credit. He’s fresh out of college, and he can read a room.

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If it weren’t for a zeroed-in focus on Rick Renteria’s daily lineups in the first week of action in this most unusual 2020 season, White Sox Twitter’s top target would be the team’s decision to leave Madrigal off the Opening Day roster — and that's taking up plenty of room on the internet, too. Despite earning rave reviews during “Summer Camp,” the game’s No. 39 prospect is with the rest of the player pool at the alternate training site in Schaumburg.

After he performed as advertised at three minor league levels in 2019 — he struck out only 17 times! — there were plenty of calls to make him the White Sox starting second baseman from Day 1 in this 60-game sprint to the postseason. That the White Sox started that sprint 1-4, after spending all of “Summer Camp” saying how critical it was to get off to a fast start, only seemed to point to the need to get the guy who sure seems like the organization’s best second baseman to the majors as soon as possible.

The explanation given by general manager Rick Hahn for sending Madrigal to Schaumburg to start the season?

“In the end, we felt the lineup was stronger and overall we were going to be more productive with Leury (García) at second base providing us that switch-hitting presence in the lineup,” Hahn said a week ago. “Currently, Leury seems — his timing, his readiness seems to be a little ahead of where Nicky was over the last couple weeks.”

Whether you agree or not, know that during this rebuilding project, the White Sox have not operated under the assumption that a need at the big league level would determine when their highest rated prospects get promoted. That has irked plenty of fans along the way, but Michael Kopech, Eloy Jiménez and Luis Robert all made their major league debuts on that schedule and the methodical nature of the rebuild has seemingly set the White Sox up for long-term success. It’d be nothing more than wishful thinking to assume they’d change gears now.

Even with Renteria and his players talking playoffs for months, Hahn has always hammered home that this is a long-term endeavor. And it’s the long term that continues to drive the team’s decisions. Including the one with Madrigal.

“We've talked about this for years,” he said last week, specifically referencing Nomar Mazara being on the injured list opening up a potential spot for Madrigal, “we really don't want to let an injury at the big league level affect the timeline for a prospect promotion. We really want to make this decision over what was best for the club overall, as well as consideration for Nicky's long-term development. … We still think the world of him and believe he's going to help us at some point over the summer.”

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As for at what point this summer — which is only two months long this year as opposed to its usual six-month stretch, in baseball terms, certainly not by Chicago-weather standards — Madrigal could arrive, the thinking has been that it might not be long.

While everything else about this baseball season counts as uncharted waters, service time is still a thing. And while the White Sox have never said that service-time considerations play a role in their decision making with prospects, the realities of baseball are what they are. And if Madrigal’s big league debut comes just roughly a week into this season instead of coming back on Opening Day, the White Sox would gain an extra year of team control on a talented young player.

It’s frustrating to fans, and it’s got to be even more frustrating for the player. But it’s reality. And the reward, in the long term, is a big one for the franchise. The White Sox are trying to keep a contention window open for as long as possible, and they’ve gone a long way in doing that with recent contract extensions for young players like Jiménez, Robert and Yoán Moncada. Keeping Madrigal under control for as long as possible helps the White Sox stay competitive for as long as possible.

And so the only concrete public evaluation the White Sox are willing to make on Madrigal is this: After reaching Triple-A last season, he’s close to reaching the majors.

“He's pretty close,” White Sox director of player development Chris Getz said Thursday in Schaumburg. “It's purely putting him in a position to succeed when he gets there. His starter kit is pretty good as is, but we want to make sure we're getting the most out of him right out of the gate.”

Certainly the White Sox saying Madrigal has a bit more to prove before earning his major league call-up is nothing new. Hahn said it all the way back in January. Madrigal didn’t get as much time as he would’ve liked to prove himself during spring training, with the sport shut down in March. He was lauded for the improvements he made between the abrupt end of spring training and the start of “Summer Camp” at the beginning of the month. 

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But despite saying he never wanted anything as badly as he wanted to break camp with the big league team, the White Sox still want to see more.

“Being around him in major league camp,” Getz said, “watching him go about his business there, seeing some things here to fine tune and then going to work while he's been here, he's taken to some of the discussions we've had, some things to focus on. Wasn't too far off.

“It's really about getting comfortable in the box. We know what he can do defensively. Just his game awareness, it's certainly above average. What really is going to separate him is getting comfortable in the box, creating rhythm and focusing on pitches he can hit.”

If the call comes shortly, it will certainly be a wonder as to how Madrigal could have developed from not ready to ready in just a few days at Schaumburg. If the call doesn’t come soon, it will be a wonder as to how he’ll be able to prove what he needs to prove without a minor league schedule this year. Getz said Thursday that the setup in Schaumburg is allowing for players to develop. The White Sox have some talented young pitchers, but can Madrigal go from minor leaguer to major league just by facing his own teammates?

A promotion this season would figure to provide an answer. As for when that promotion will come? Stay tuned.


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José Abreu: Dallas Keuchel's words or not, White Sox would have played better

José Abreu: Dallas Keuchel's words or not, White Sox would have played better

Dallas Keuchel spoke, and the White Sox responded.

That was an easy way to read what happened this week in Detroit.

After a seemingly listless performance in the series-opener — a 5-1 defeat that followed the sting of a missed opportunity against the Cleveland Indians one night earlier — Keuchel addressed the team. Then he told reporters what he told his teammates.

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“I would have liked to see the team play better tonight, especially after a kind of defeating loss last night,” the veteran left-hander said Monday. “We just came out flat, and I feel like we just stayed flat the whole game. … We've got some guys coming out and taking professional at-bats, being professional on the mound and doing what it takes to win, and we've got some guys going through the motions. So we need to clean a lot of things up. If we want to be in this thing at the end of the season, we're going to have to start that now.

“When you have enough talent to potentially win every game, it's very frustrating when you have games like this, and it just seems like we were out of it from the get go.”

The White Sox won the next two games in Detroit, scoring 15 runs on a combined 18 hits.

So Keuchel woke everybody up. His words spurred these White Sox.

Right?

“I think the conversation that we had with him, that he had with us, it didn’t really effect the way that we played the last two games,” first baseman José Abreu said Friday through team interpreter Billy Russo. “I think that we would do that either way.

“I do appreciate the conversation that he had with us. He had some concerns, and he’s a veteran. He shared those concerns with us, and I appreciate that. But it’s not a secret that the first game in Detroit wasn’t one of our best games. That was a bad game for us. But it wasn’t because we didn’t want to do good. It just was one of those games where we couldn’t do better in that particular time. The next two days, we did perform and we did what we were supposed to do.

“That’s why I think there’s no reason for people to put the spotlight on what Dallas said because we won the last two games. I think we would do it either way.”

Before anyone thinks of making the leap to clubhouse controversy, know this. Abreu, who’s been described as a team leader and certainly has been a mentor and a role model to the young players around him over the last few seasons, has been a vocal proponent of two things: the need for players to work hard and do the things they’re supposed to do to put themselves in position to win, and the high level of talent these young White Sox have.

With rebuilding cornerstones like Yoán Moncada, Eloy Jiménez and now Luis Robert firmly under his wing, it’s understandable Abreu would be protective of them and their fellow youngsters when called out for a lack of effort. And why shouldn’t he if that’s not what he’s seeing? Few are closer to those guys on a daily basis, and he would know if they weren’t living up to his own high standards when it comes to work ethic. Of course, Keuchel didn’t name any names, and those closest to Abreu might not have been the ones he was referencing Monday night.

Abreu has spent years talking up how good this group of players can be, and he knows what it's capable of. It's no surprise that he believed the White Sox capable of turning in a better performance than the one they did Monday night, and that belief would have been the same whether Keuchel opened up or if no one said a word.

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For what it’s worth, another White Sox mainstay was more willing to connect the dots between what Keuchel said and what happened in the days that followed.

“I hope they had some effect,” manager Rick Renteria said Friday. “I hope it affected them. I think any time you have a peer trying to motivate you, it's a good thing, especially somebody who's been around a little bit.

“As we've talked about before over the last three or four years, at some point we want the players to go ahead and take ownership. We've had guys doing it subtly, you guys haven't heard about it. In this instance, you heard about it. And I hope it did have an effect.”

This seems less like the White Sox answering the prayers of talk radio with a brewing battle inside the clubhouse and more just an interesting comparison of vantage points.

Keuchel knows what it’s like to win. He’s got a World Series ring on his finger. But Abreu knows this team. He knows these guys. Keuchel’s a newcomer, but one brought in partially because of his winning experience. Abreu has no winning experience in the major leagues, all six of his previous White Sox seasons ending in sub-.500 finishes, but perhaps no player in that clubhouse is more familiar with the intricacies of this franchise’s rebuilding process. And the White Sox made what seemed like an easy decision to keep him a central part of it with his three-year contract in the offseason.

This season — before it was all jumbled up by the pandemic — was supposed to be about the White Sox finally reaching the stage of their rebuild where they started to win. But it was also supposed to be about getting to that point. A schedule squeezed down to 60 games, and an American League playoff field expanded from five to eight teams, might have given the White Sox a better chance to do something they haven't done in more than a decade. But the shortened season robbed them of the typical six-month marathon in which a team can evolve into a winner.

Keuchel and Abreu both have important roles to play in getting the White Sox to where they want to be, and both of those vantage points will be critical along the way.

Remember: They both want the exact same thing.

“I told Rick Hahn this,” Keuchel said during spring training, “I said four out of the last five years I've made the playoffs, and I don't expect any of these three years to be any different.”

“I think it's just about time for us to start winning,” Abreu said around the same time. “It's just that time for us to start winning games and start to be relevant.

“The team that the front office put together, we're going to be able to do it. We have to be united. We need to be strong in good times and bad times if we want to be successful this season. With the guys that we have right now, that's something that's doable. That's our goal.

“I think expectations are high because we all know that this is the time for us to win.”


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White Sox face Cardinals with another bullpen day in Game 2 of doubleheader

White Sox face Cardinals with another bullpen day in Game 2 of doubleheader

Despite their preseason stockpile of starting-pitching depth, the White Sox will resort to their second bullpen day of the season in the second game of Saturday's doubleheader.

Lucas Giolito, the ace of the South Side staff, takes the ball in the first game against the visiting St. Louis Cardinals, who will be seeing game action for the first time in more than two weeks as they finally resume play at the end of a pause caused by nearly 20 positive tests for COVID-19 among players and staff.

White Sox manager Rick Renteria revealed Friday that Game 2 will feature another group effort by his relief corps. Remember that doubleheader games are now just seven innings long.

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This bullpen day comes just one week after the last. A week ago, in the second game of the White Sox series with the Cleveland Indians, Renteria called on seven different relievers in a 7-1 loss. While Matt Foster started things well, Drew Anderson, who was newly called up from the team's alternate training site in Schaumburg, fell apart in the fourth inning and was tagged for six runs. With the White Sox unable to solve Indians starter Zach Plesac that day, the remaining five White Sox pitchers mostly served in mop-up duty.

Now, that's certainly not to say every bullpen day will yield a similar result. The White Sox bullpen has looked like a strength this season, even if the team's relief ERA of 4.15 was just the 15th best in baseball as of this writing. But it's a perfect example of how quickly the White Sox starting-pitching depth has been drained and the position it's put the team in just a third of the way through this shortened 60-game season.

Reynaldo López and Carlos Rodón remain on the injured list with no timetables for their returns to the White Sox rotation. Gio González has been called on to fill in for López, and he's been unable to make it out of the fifth inning in any of his first three starts in a White Sox uniform, though the team has won two of those three games. There has been no replacement in the rotation for Rodón.

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Back on Aug. 5, general manager Rick Hahn said both injured pitchers could be back in action within a few weeks, certainly better than season-ending diagnoses for those two key cogs. But a few weeks is a big chunk of this 60-game season. With Renteria not delivering timelines for either pitcher Friday, it seems Saturday's bullpen day might not be the last one we see from the White Sox this summer.

For those wondering where highly touted pitching prospect Dane Dunning fits into all this, Hahn specifically said that Dunning would not be called upon to take Rodón's spot last weekend. The general manager said on Aug. 5 that Dunning, coming off Tommy John surgery, had not yet worked his way to the kind of length the team wants to see from starting pitchers at the big league level. That's not to say Dunning won't appear at all for the White Sox this season, but as of nine days ago, he wasn't ready yet, not to mention that the front office continues to operate under the idea that an injury at the major league level should have no effect on when a prospect is ready for a promotion.

But with López and Rodón on the shelf — along with youngster Jimmy Lambert, who's on the 45-day injured list — Dunning not ready, Michael Kopech electing not to play this season due to personal reasons and Ross Detwiler limited to a relief role at the moment, there are few if any places for the White Sox to turn. The team inked veteran left-hander Clayton Richard to a minor league deal, but Hahn said going outside the organization for rotation help isn't very likely with the trade deadline approaching at the end of the month.

That all makes it seem like bullpen days might be something to get used to for a little while.


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